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To: Boogieman
Rather, we don’t believe this type of thought is present in animals. It is impossible for us to actually know what is present in the thoughts of animals, because we can’t experience that, observe it, or measure it in any reliable way

Maybe. Dhowever, do we have any evidence whatever that any animal counts to 100 or can conceptualize what 1,000 is? See e.g. Butterworth, Can Fish Count?: What Animals Reveal About Our Uniquely Mathematical Minds. I think we can agree that this kind of thought is unique to humans.

19 posted on 07/06/2023 10:07:39 AM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

“Maybe.”

Not maybe. Definitely. We can’t even experience or directly observe the consciousness of another human being, much less that of an animal.

“however, do we have any evidence whatever that any animal counts to 100 or can conceptualize what 1,000 is?”

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

“I think we can agree that this kind of thought is unique to humans.”

It might be, but that’s just an unproveable assumption, and unproveable assumptions are not the best things to go basing even more elaborate hypotheses on.

Science would be better off, in my opinion, sticking to its more reliable principles, like the idea that it is outside the province of science to try to deal with the unobservable and the unmeasurable. And since consciousness is currently in that category, then it is outside the bounds of science to speak about until something changes.


22 posted on 07/06/2023 10:17:59 AM PDT by Boogieman
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