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Even so, do you think the Ukrainians wanted the Russians to invade and kill them?

Isn’t fighting back what most people do when attacked?

Is that jolly gay destruction or refusal to be subjugated, and give up half your land and peoples?

I’m beginning to think it’s not Joe Biden and global hohos that are hated by the Russian supporters, but the fact the Ukraine didn’t roll over to Russian brutality.

--- "Even so, do you think the Ukrainians wanted the Russians to invade and kill them?"

Thanks for a serious question. I don't think "the Ukrainians" had or have any real vote in anything. Neither "the Russians." Please don't forget that well before the Maidan and all, the princelings of Biden, Pelosi, Kerry and friends of Romney were extracting millions from a nation -- "the Ukrainians" -- where the median income was little more than a few thousand dollars, converted from hryvnia into USD.

Did "the Ukrainians" have any say in that? I wager they did not.

I don't think any people want to be invaded or killed. I count you in that number, as myself. But events and players across the much larger span of time than a couple of years are deep in the mire, and volunteers as well as the conscripted are losing their lives -- or taking lives -- in a far larger battle raging across time. As with the game of climate change, everything depends on where the "curtain of time" is begun and ended. I am sure that we would disagree about where the time boundaries are in this. But that is a matter of much longer and detailed discussion. I do suspect that certain interests, American and European, but not "the Americans" and not "the Europeans," have long fomented corruption and war for their own interests. And now they have it. And now we have it. What to do? It's an enormous discussion. ORYX is a tiny part of that, counting and tallying statistics.

I leave this comment with a quote from pre-WWII Germany and the humorist, Kurt Tucholsky, in "Französischer Witz," 1932. "The war? I cannot find it to be so bad! The death of one man: this is a catastrophe. Hundreds of thousands of deaths: that is a statistic!"

In the original, if you have interest:

„Der Krieg? Ich kann das nicht so schrecklich finden! Der Tod eines Menschen: das ist eine Katastrophe. Hunderttausend Tote: das ist eine Statistik!“

Best wishes.