Posted on 06/17/2023 7:14:55 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
This is Putin’s position. All of eastern Europe are belong to us. With Putin and people like him, appeasement is taken as a sign of weakness.
Germany argued against admitting Ukraine to NATO because, Chancellor Merkel argued, that would provoke Russia. We deferred to her judgement, and there is a war in Europe that may involve a nuclear exchange before it’s over. Obviously, Merkel was wrong. I expect when Ukraine accomplishes what it can with its counter-offensive, we will see Moldova, and Ukraine, and possibly also Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan, possibly all five, added to NATO and EU. No more trying to appease Putin.
As was said....”We came very close to a nuclear exchange during the Cold War. The crisis marked the closest point that the world had ever come to global nuclear war.”...
I never realized how dangerously close we were - until I got my computer and began to investigate a lot of history. The Cuban Missle Crisis was one of them. My gosh we’re talking the finger was on the button...it was that close.
I’ts amazing how often people mention how Corrupt Russia’s always been when currently we don’t have room to judge ANY country regarding corruption!....an Bidns not hiding it!
Globalism is simply Communism incognito.
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You bring in China.
China isn’t ruled by an increasingly fearful man. Xi has good reason to believe that his country is on the upswing. Why would China risk its eventual victory over the U.S. with a nuclear war?
We’re back to the situation we were in with the Soviet Union during the Cold War (regardless of whether you can ever grasp the reality of that situation). We and China can find out which system works out better, ours or theirs.
As for me, I’m betting that India will overtake both China and the U.S. In my own view, NATO is obsolete, and it’s time that all of the democratic capitalist countries of the world join into meaningful mutual defense. With us insuring each other’s territorial integrity, and all of us bearing a fair share of the burden, who could threaten us?
Obviously, there will be hold outs, like North Korea. We can view them as something like zoos, as concrete examples of non-democratic capitalist countries.
Delusional. I guess we should let Russia and China station their missiles in Cuba after all. Or at least set up military bases.
NATO membership is a great deal for everyone except the US. It is an insurance policy whereby the US is the guarantor of their sovereignty and we pay the premiums up to and including a nuclear exchange.
NATO has been in it from the start. It never was Putin vs. Ukraine. It has always been Biden, Soros, Neo Cons , NATO, Globalists, Biden supporters and worshipers, Victoria Nuland [a/l/a Soros], Ukraine NAZIs versus Putin. The area of Ukraine was merely the object used. The People of Ukraine are the pawns.
The CCP has lots to fear from its people. We have enabled China by allowing them to commit the seven deadly sins:
1.Stop stealing Intellectual Property
2.Stop forcing technology transfers
3. Stop hacking our computers to steal our trade secrets
4. Stop dumping into our markets and putting our companies out of business
5. Stop their state-owned enterprises from (receiving) heavy subsidies
6. Stop the fentanyl
7. Stop the currency manipulation
Comparing our situation today with China with the Soviet Union during the Cold War is flawed. China today represents a far greater threat than the Soviet Union. We are now facing an adversary who has an economy equal to ours with a bigger industrial and manufacturing base. We are suffering a trade deficit of $500 billion annually. We depend on China for drugs, manufactured goods, equipment, etc. Many of our politicians, academics, and corporate elites have been captured by the CCP, including the President, Bill Gates, and Elon Musk.
The Soviets presented a real military threat conventionally and nuclear. When I was assigned to a NATO command in Italy 1968-70, we had over 500,000 military personnel in Europe not counting dependents. The great fear was a Soviet invasion thru the Fulda Gap. But we were not linked to the Soviets economically nor did we have hundreds of thousands of Soviet students attending our universities like we have now with Chinese students, who are quasi intelligence agents.
We have no containment policy against China. We did, thanks to Kennan, have one for the Soviets. China’s One Belt, One Road strategy is a form of mercantilism that gives China great leverage and influence.
India is not going to overtake China or the US. I have visit India more than a dozen times. It has a wide variety of problems and a system of governance that cannot solve them. Too weak and ineffective. India has to run to stay in place. Its massive population is more of a liability than an asset.
You are living in a fantasy world if you believe the democratic capitalist countries, which don’t include Ukraine by the way, will unite in some “meaningful” mutual defense. Not happening. And how many countries are really democratic and capitalist? The BRICS are adding members and angling to replace the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. If that happens, the US becomes Argentina.
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