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Now that the charade is over and we know Trump will be indicted federally, if the polls do not radically change, the Republican Party has a serious problem and will likely end up fractured
Twitter ^ | 9:11 PM · Jun 8, 2023 | Rich Baris

Posted on 06/08/2023 8:58:07 PM PDT by conservative98

THREAD: Now that the charade is over and we know Trump will be indicted federally, if the polls do not radically change, the Republican Party has a serious problem and will likely end up fractured.

Let's take something Chris Christie said to use as an explainer. When asked what he would do to win over "Trump voters", he responded with contempt that he rejected the term because "he doesn't own them [voters]."

No, he doesn't.

But only the political and ruling class doesn't understand that his connection to these voters is not about ownership. To explain, let's break down "Trump voters" into two broad categories.

1. Mid-to-High propensity, mid-to-long term REP/REP-leaning voters who hate their leaders and their own party because they betray and fail them over and over.

2. Lower propensity to new voters, who have no real loyalty to the party and only vote Republican if and when he's on the ballot.

If we are to assume Trump is taken out via Lawfare, as multiple opponents have assured donors he will be for months, most of these voters will never vote for the "replacement" because they have no rational policy reason to do so.

That term may be unfamiliar to most, or to others they cannot understand how it would be the case. Their lives have not gotten better under anyone but him, thus they do not think like partisans, even if they are 1) who technically are partisans.

If Republicans thought the Ross Perot fracture was devastating to their national viability, this will be a divorce that will make 1992 look like a lover's spat because 1) the coalition is so much larger and 2) it's so much more diverse.

Non-white voters who love him will hate the Republican Party for a generation.

They feel he fought for them, and now he's being persecuted and prosecuted for it. Large numbers of them will just write him in if they successfully remove him from the ballot, and large numbers would just stay home. What they will not do, is support those who banked on him being prosecuted.


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KEYWORDS: chrischristie; newjersey; qwillfix; richbaris; trump; trumpindictment; trustheplan; twitter
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1 posted on 06/08/2023 8:58:07 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: conservative98

Either way, it’s dead.


2 posted on 06/08/2023 8:58:33 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: conservative98

How will the GOP lite bring back the 80 million + voters that want Trump and only Trump......


3 posted on 06/08/2023 9:00:12 PM PDT by Hambone 1934 (Dems love playing Nazis.....The republicans love helping them)
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To: conservative98

Even without Trump indictments the pubs are in bad shape.


4 posted on 06/08/2023 9:00:38 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: conservative98

I see nothing wrong with that. The GOP will never be reformed. It needs to be destroyed. In actuality, it’s been destroying itself for a very long time.


5 posted on 06/08/2023 9:03:35 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: conservative98

What do you propose we do?


6 posted on 06/08/2023 9:04:31 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: conservative98

Ive seen enough these past 5 months that the GOP has NO desire to stand up for themselves and actually do something. When the dems are in power they do everything in their power to keep power, to punish those who despise them, while the GOP sits back and writes long tweets, thats it. They have had 5 months to impeach Biden, Myorkis, Wray, Garland, and they have NOT..they have done nothing..they know the entire Biden regime are corrupt sacks of crap yet they do nothing..I have said repeatedly today, does Biden seem worried to you all, about ANYTHING..of course not, why would he, he knows he gets off scott free regardless, he always has and he always will


7 posted on 06/08/2023 9:06:29 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: dfwgator
Either way, it’s dead.

I'm done with the RepukeLickings.

Perot in 1992, and Republican every "election" since.

No Mas

8 posted on 06/08/2023 9:06:36 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: conservative98

9 posted on 06/08/2023 9:07:29 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: conservative98

God will smite our enemies, of this we can be certain.

We will see truth and justice.


10 posted on 06/08/2023 9:09:09 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the cosmological implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: plain talk

The only reason the dems are not in worse shape is due to their corruption of the elections. They are the true criminal class who are in power by virtue of their crime and corruption. Republicans are themselves sufficiently morally compromised to be incapable of demanding honesty in government.
Trump is the only hope we have short of outright revolution to saving our nation from its by now very apparent demise.


11 posted on 06/08/2023 9:09:11 PM PDT by Lou Foxwell (It takes a deep level of stupidity to believe Trump is stupid.)
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To: Vendome

Yes, we know. You’ve posted that five times today.


12 posted on 06/08/2023 9:11:36 PM PDT by norcal joe
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1 out of 100 Senators denounced the obvious Election interference (1%).

The problem is the media lies and people believe it. FOX had Bill Barr on and they didn’t ask him one hard question about the obvious Weaponization. People see that and believe what Barr says via Fox, when Fox could’ve asked him 100 Questions to blow Barr out if the water.

Hunter, James, Valerie Biden are not registered as Foreign agents, yet Millions rolled in and Hunter said in his laptop that he was acting as a Lawyer for a Chinese Spy.

How long would it take to see that they’re not registered?

These are easy Indictments of the Bidens but FOX is going to push those RINOs.


13 posted on 06/08/2023 9:11:41 PM PDT by OakOak (Misinformation Campaign on your TV)
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To: yesthatjallen

Either support Trump or do nothing. Trump supported us little people. The swamp is going to swamp.


14 posted on 06/08/2023 9:12:11 PM PDT by defconw
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To: conservative98

The GOPe are about to have a “comes the Dawn” moment and I hope they jump out windows of tall buildings. Just saying.


15 posted on 06/08/2023 9:13:00 PM PDT by Equine1952
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To: conservative98

The Uniparty is laboring under the delusion that they still own the Republican Party.


16 posted on 06/08/2023 9:13:26 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: conservative98

Forget 2024.


17 posted on 06/08/2023 9:13:51 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: Hambone 1934

Newsflash: I am one of those 80 million.

Let’s see:

1) Trump started attacking DeSantis before either were a candidate for the ‘24 election. Why? Because DeSantis is the only one who did not pay Trump homage.

2) Trump’s cult have subsequently piled on attacking DeSantis mercilessly for the past six months.

3) Trump turned on his own Press Sec who was arguably the best Press Sec I have ever seen.

Quite frankly … my give a damn is busted.

I am tired of the drama, and have pretty much tuned out on 2024. I do not really care who gets elected anymore.


18 posted on 06/08/2023 9:14:08 PM PDT by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: conservative98

I’ll vote for Trump and he can pardon himself.

This country is a damn banana republic.

The people manipulating things think we are stupid, they will throw a few excited words our way and then lurch left after the primary. Whatever they want I am against it.
Become ungovernable. Do not cooperate with these people.


19 posted on 06/08/2023 9:14:33 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Hambone 1934

Your number is off
Many of us will accept someone other than trump.

Not Krispy Kreme rino but someone other than trump is an option.


20 posted on 06/08/2023 9:16:35 PM PDT by cableguymn
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