Posted on 05/08/2023 6:27:38 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas
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Kilicdaroglu: 10%
Erdogan: 90%
I have seen that opinion expressed several times and why the Russian mindset is hard to reckon with since most in the west do t think that way. One person put it this way Russia is not in the west and not in the east. Their thinking is somewhat unique and not limited to govt officials
“It is expected that tomorrow the US will announce a $1.2 billion aid package under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative to further strengthen Ukrainian air defense in the long term, U.S. officials said today reports Associated Press.”
“The assistance initiative will fund HAWK air-defense systems, air-defense ammo and drones for air defense. It will also buy artillery, rockets, satellite imagery assistance, and funding for ongoing maintenance and spare parts for a variety of systems, according to the officials”
At the start of the “Special Military Operation” more than a year ago, the Ukrainian Army outnumbered the Russians by a factor of three. Even with their advantage in numbers, the Ukrainian defenses failed to stop the numerically inferior Russian force and failed to expel the Russians from the Luhansk and Donetsk territories.
We now are being enticed to believe that Ukraine, with a numerically inferior force compared to Russia’s current troop deployment, is going to mount an offensive, despite a severe lack of tanks, armored vehicles, mobile artillery and air cover, that will drive the Russians from fortifications erected during the last six months.
Ukrainian officials persist in making wild claims about Russian defeats, low morale and catastrophic casualties. There is a very simple test you can do to evaluate the Ukrainian claim about Russia’s losses — find the social media and count the photos and videos. If Russia had suffered the number of killed and wounded cited by Ukrainian and Western officials and pundits, then it would be impossible to hide those photos and videos. Social media and smart phones are ubiquitous and grieving wives, girl friends, parents and friends are not easy to corral.
Images and videos like the following are widely available on Ukrainian Telegram channels. The opposite is true when it comes to finding comparable material on Russian channels. There are a few photos of newly dug graves in a Russian military cemetery, but nothing like the quantity of images recording Ukraine losses.
Ukraine says it downed Russian cruise missiles aimed at Kyiv
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65529511
Ukrainian officials say air defences downed 15 Russian cruise missiles which were launched overnight against the capital, Kyiv.
No casualties were reported from the attack, according to Serhiy Popko, a senior Kyiv military official.
He said he believed the missiles had been launched from four bombers flying from the Caspian sea region.
According to Ukraine, Russia launched its biggest drone attack of the war yet on Sunday night.
That wave of drone and missile strikes killed at least one person and injured five.
Yes - with caveats.
The younger generation (below 40) seem less inclined to the imperialist mindset.
I think their mindset is mongol empire merged with byzantium
“At the start of the “Special Military Operation” more than a year ago, the Ukrainian Army outnumbered the Russians by a factor of three”
Not true.
But if it helps you cope with the loss, pretend away.
There is a chance that the UA offensive is underway now.
I would be inclined to agree with you with my own caveat, though many young folks fled Russia to avoid the war their opinions expressed often don’t condemn Russia but shows they themselves don’t want to die for it, additionally I would not underestimate Russian internal propaganda to shape young Russian minds. How big this is and how much the discontent can take hold against a system which I have seen rivals the military in size is yet to be determined
Though I think kazans assertion about size of Ukrainians manpower relative to invading Russian manpower is relatively accurate as the Ukrainians had a large standing army. Somewhere around 600000 I think in all forms, armor, airpower, rockets and artillery it wasn’t close. It is often discussed that the major flaw in the Russian invasion operation was inadequate numbers of infantry which the Ukrainian military exploited. Later in the war the Russians had made up the gap in manpower numbers but with low trained conscripts and their armor and infantry vehicle advantage lost and to some extent artillery as well which resulted in that manpower numbers being squandered and an unexplainable throwing away large numbers of equipment in piecemeal attacks that resulted in nothing more than more scrap metal being created
I always appreciate your take on things gives great insight into Russian mentality
With the ever increasing draconian control
Of the information space in Russia, where calling it a war puts you in prison, where posting anything negative on “SMO”or military in general gets you a prison sentence, where thousands of Russian bodies lie rotting in fields and at best listed as MIA is the norm yes reassure yourself that because RT does not report it, it didn’t happen.
Whether or not Russia has a manpower advantage the point is when the Ukrainians attack at that point they will not and how private conscriptikov reacts, and what resources the Russians have to react with will be key
My bet is in the Ukrainians, lol I know yours
It's misleading at best. Russia's numbers include only the invasion force, while Ukraine's includes their entire military, including non-combat troops and troops held in reserve far from any fighting. For Russia, add in the LPR/DPR militias, PMC's, hundreds of thousands of Air Force, Navy, Missile Forces, logistics, troops stationed in Belarus and Russia, etc, and Russian forces directly supporting the war outnumber the entire Ukraine military. As they say, figures lie and liars figure.
Again I agree in overall numbers but just like the US military has a large standing force a vast majority are not frontline combat troops or airman but support folks logistics, HR(paper pushers….)medical, maintenance.
The Russian invasion force was woefully undermanned for what it actually faced as opposed to what it faced so to kazans point if they were undermanned it was their fault there is no “fair” in war
Interesting to me is though the Russian military is(was) fairly large at the time of the invasion what many people don’t understand or consider is all the territory Russia has to man, borders both external and internal. For the most part they are not a federation of the willing and happy, and as they draw down these forces how long will it take for these regions to see the weakness and make their move
My 2 cents
Sorry they were undermanned for what they faced not what they anticipated to face, that’s not on the Ukrainians but in the Russians, but even if they went in with more troops I think the ingrained problems within the Russian military structure would have meant the same results and then as I was so clumsily trying to say the Russian military is stretched all over their vast “federation” so with the troops they had just how many could they have afforded to send anyways. Ain’t the Soviet Union anymore pooty
Agreed. The USA massed some 700,000 troops to invade Iraq, not including our “coalition” partners. And we did it in just a few months, half way around the world. But Russia did not have sufficient force to invade without some level of mobilization, and apparently Putin didn’t want that.
Lol or didn’t think he needed it, imagine Putin in his bunker being fed the lies they thought he wanted to hear, they love us, will welcome us to rid country of nazis(no one has been able to explain what that actually means in todays terms…), three day your highness 7 tops
I was in for almost 40 years and the Russian military makes the US military with all its problems look like the most efficient well oiled machine in history
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