Posted on 04/01/2023 3:12:00 PM PDT by volunbeer
Professor Johns Mearsheimer on why the US wanted this war and how our government helped cause the conflict in the Ukraine.
I am not posting this to start another endless Putin/Ukraine smashfest here on FR. Those are pointless.
I don't like Putin. I don't like Zelensky. I don't really like John Mearsheimer who is the professor who lays out his case about how our government contributed to this conflict and some even seemed hellbent on causing it.
I want the war to end and have been quite clear about it but in the hopes that some will at least consider the "other side" I hope you will watch this and just consider what he says because it is true. It's not posted as an excuse for Putin or anyone else, but all of us would do well to consider how our foreign policy/intel/military complex helped muck this up given that we face potential problems with Taiwan. It's the same people in charge.
I would also ask - why was Ukraine membership in NATO so important to people in our government (who seemed to travel there so frequently)? The point of NATO was a collective defense of Western Europe from the USSR. The agreements by the West were that we would NOT encroach upon Russia yet here we are.
Is the Ukraine better off today because of our partnership with them? Are you safer and more prosperous? How many people have to die over this or should we just keep fueling it until the last Ukrainian can turn out the lights or it goes nuclear?
This is insane and people need to get past their kneejerk reactions of Putin/Zelensky because the root causes of this illustrate the dangerous idiocy of the Ivy-league morons in charge of our foreign policy. We have military forces strewn all over the globe right now and I sure don't think all of them (or even most) are representing your interests or mine.
Oh boy, here we go.
China benefits the most from the Ukraine war.
NATO refused Ukrainian requests to join since 2008, although NATO leaders would not rule out the possibility of membership some time in the future.
Ukrainian desire to join NATO went up fast once Russia annexed Crimea in 2014.
“Professor Johns Mearsheimer on why the US wanted this war and how our government helped cause the conflict in the Ukraine.”
I wouldn’t say that the Neocons WANTED this war, as even the Neocons know that our hollowed-out, Drag Queen infested, Just-in-Time, military is not ready for a REAL WAR.
Instead the hope was that Russia would turn tail and run...and then their Azov allies would drive out the Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine, as part of their ‘purification’ of the country. After that, they take Crimea, and drive the Russians out of the Black Sea (basically Ethnic Cleansing/Genocide of about 10 million people, but not a problem, since they’re Russian types and it’s us doing it).
But if Russia did defend their fellow Russians stuck in Ukraine, the plan was to impose KILLER SANCTIONS on Russia which would collapse the economy. Only problem is that it collapsed the WRONG economy, that being Europe’s, who now have to sneak around their own ‘sanctions’ and cut deals with Russia just to put food on the table and gas in their cars.
The ABSOLUTE LAST thing the Neocons wanted was a real war in Ukraine as they knew it would FAR TOUGHER for our hollowed-out military, than droning a relative handful of goat-herders.
The point for me is not really “who I want to win” it’s what is my government doing in my name?
I remember the dissolution of the USSR quite well and many people were filled with optimism overnight that “peace” in Europe was finally possible.
We made promises and we did not keep them. There are many reasons this happened, but like most failure analyses if you remove one mistake you often avoid a tragedy.
Can anyone argue that the Ukraine is better off today than it was 18 months ago? The country is wrecked, half the population has fled or is dead, and we are 100b poorer as well as less prepared for war today.
Nobody is really going to “win” in the Ukraine. Nobody. Millions have already lost.
There must not be enough money in “peace” for the elites and make no mistake that the people who got us here are the same ones who will send your kids or mine off for some other adventure that benefits them in the near future. You can bet on that.
The shadowy cabal of leftists who snuck Barack Hussein into office (and who continue to run the Biden regime) are NOT America
And are NOT the United States.
I wish the elites would send their kids too, but that ain’t gonna happen.
They will send yours and mine though and claim its in our interests.
One should not lose sight of the princelings of Biden, Pelosi, Kerry and Romney who were raking millions in through "legal" escapades in Ukraine, which made it well worth "defending" for their own venal interests, and NOT for the average Ukrainian or American. Graft of the sort that was likely lining the pockets of many in the political class here and in Europe was worth fighting for.... (sarcasm)
Additionally, while our nation's national debt rivals that during the depths of the second world war, we are shoveling money into a hole which better could be spent easing the burdens of Americans or bettering our American future at home.
For my view, worldwide corruption is raging around the world like a wounded animal as "order" is in chaos, the worthless paper of climate change carbon credits and worthless currencies which are wholly imaginary are blowin' in the wind.
The Puppet Master
Russia and Russia Jr. Let them duke it out without involving us.
We supported that coup 100%. And Poroshenko took the reins...He promoted hate of anything Russian from day 1.
Very well said.
They might not be “us” but they sure represent us to the rest of the world.
We are not an imperialist nation or people but if you asked the rest of the world what the US represents now I imagine most would say we are.
Meanwhile, Bakmut’s final day, rolled up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CVRVOvFAJA
The corrupted little beggar’s war cheerleaders ( one, anyway) Macron runs to China….
“ Macron to take French business leaders to China next week, despite EU calls to ‘de-risk’ ties
French President Emmanuel Macron hopes to strengthen economic and cultural ties with Beijing
Several meetings with Chinese President Xi Jinping are planned; one will include European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen…”
…the corrupted US Biden regime now totally irrelevant. Good job, war cheerleaders.
just like bush in iraq.
I often wonder how much better off the world would be if we did not fund so much corruption in it.
How much harm will we allow these people to create?
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