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Caliber and Quiet Gunshots
AmmoLand ^ | March 15, 2023 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 03/20/2023 5:44:07 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: OKSooner
These guys might be able to build you a 77/22 with a fast twist barrel.

Here is a 77/22 in .22 LR on Armslist in Oklahoma City for $730.

21 posted on 03/20/2023 8:27:10 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: OKSooner
This group says a 10-22 barrel needs a little machine work to fit on a 77-22.
22 posted on 03/20/2023 8:31:17 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: LouAvul

Well, to be fair, I didn’t test a revolver, only semiautomatics.

I hear from Hollywood that the revolver is the assassin’s pistol of choice because it is so quiet.


23 posted on 03/20/2023 8:39:44 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: marktwain

This is helpful information, thanks. Actually my preference would be for a plain’ ol Savage or something like that with possibly an aftermarket barrel, but more information is always good.


24 posted on 03/20/2023 8:41:21 AM PDT by OKSooner (Rand for Minority Leader after Mitch is gone for good, if not sooner.)
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To: marktwain

Well, gosh, if tens of thousands of dollars in instrumentation cannot be reliable, then I guess my whole post should be ignored. (I am a sensor systems and instrumentation engineer, so I’ll take my measurements for accuracy enough.)


25 posted on 03/20/2023 8:42:10 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: CodeToad
Wonderful, glad to hear you used good equipment.

So, what did you use?

26 posted on 03/20/2023 8:43:30 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: CodeToad
I did not write the instrumentation is not reliable, just that it is a difficult problem.

As an instruments and sensor guy, I suspect you are aware of all the complications siting and environment bring to the problem.

I have attempted to understand the difficulties of measuring gunshots. I have read numerous accounts of how difficult it is to have repeatable tests.

So, I am very interested in your instruments and setup.

27 posted on 03/20/2023 8:50:34 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: CodeToad

All levity aside, the Nagant M1895 revolver’s cylinder moved forward when firing and closed the cylinder-to-barrel gap. I’ve never seen a suppressor on one, but that would be a “quiet” revolver.


28 posted on 03/20/2023 8:53:39 AM PDT by LouAvul (Daniel 4:17: "..the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.." )
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To: OKSooner
I have been looking at this for quite a while, with a similar interest.

There may be a few obscure .22 rifles with a 1-14 twist, which might make a difference.

Or, potentially, you could find a cheap AR-15 take-off (or other centerfire .22 caliber barrel) and modify it to fit an inexpensive .22 bolt gun.

I have not found a simple solution.

29 posted on 03/20/2023 8:55:07 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: LouAvul

There is always an exception.


30 posted on 03/20/2023 8:56:00 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: LouAvul
The Soviets reportedly made a few Nagants with suppressors.

I played with Nagant revolvers a bit.

In spite of the "seal", there is significant gas leakage at the barrel/cylinder intersection.

Not nearly as much as in a regular revolver, but it dampened my enthusiasm for making a silenced revolver.

I think it could be done; but a manually operated repeater, such as the welrod, or the more current VP9, are probably better solutions.

31 posted on 03/20/2023 9:02:14 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain; Travis McGee
I've gotten a link for a source for an aftermarket fast-twist barrel for a 10-22, and conveniently I do have an extra one that would work for this project so I might just do that.

I like bolt guns in general though, and the idea of a quiet-shooting .22 bolt gun appeals to me.

In time, who knows, I might have one of each.

32 posted on 03/20/2023 9:02:35 AM PDT by OKSooner (Rand for Minority Leader after Mitch is gone for good, if not sooner.)
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To: marktwain

“Using a subsonic load in a long barreled gun can produce relatively quiet gunshots without a silencer or suppressor.”

Yes. Or low powered loads in a short barrel pistol. Favorite “Mob Hit Man” load. .22 short in a 2” revolver. I’m not sure why this article was necessary? More gunpowder, more noise. Short version.


33 posted on 03/20/2023 1:06:31 PM PDT by saleman
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To: saleman
Many people do not know what others consider common knowledge.

A .22 short in a 2" barreled revolver, to me, is much louder than a .22 long rifle standard velocity out of a 24" barreled rifle.

34 posted on 03/20/2023 2:39:30 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

—works in shotguns, too—

—several years ago, IIRC, Cabela’s sold 40 inch replacement barrel for some popular shotguns—with light loads, almost to report—


35 posted on 03/20/2023 2:39:46 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank
My brother has an old shotgun with a 36" barrel. He loads subsonic loads for it.

He says it is pretty quiet.

36 posted on 03/20/2023 2:42:10 PM PDT by marktwain
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