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To: MayflowerMadam
LOL, you guys are funny.

Read through the patristic quotes here, and get back to me.

A sample:

In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants. ... The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. -- Origen, ca AD 248

For this reason we baptize even infants, though they are not defiled by [personal] sins, so that there may be given to them holiness, righteousness, adoption, inheritance, brotherhood with Christ, and that they may be his [Christ’s] members -- Chrysostom, AD 388

The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned, nor is it to be regarded in any way as superfluous, nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic -- Augustine, AD 408.

Not baptizing infants implicitly denies salvation by grace, because you make belonging to the household of God dependant on something you do and something of which you must be capable. That's why Calvin, who at least partly understood these matters, never rejected it.

9 posted on 01/24/2023 6:00:30 AM PST by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Campion

“Read through the patristic quotes here, and get back to me.”

Irenaeus. Hippolytus. Origen. Cyprian of Carthage. Gregory of Nazianz. John Chrysostom. Augustine. Council of Carthage V. Council of Mileum II.

I put absolutely ZERO stock in what cult people spout.


10 posted on 01/24/2023 6:06:14 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (Stupid is supposed to hurt.)
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To: Campion

Catholic cow scat


13 posted on 01/24/2023 7:53:52 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Campion; Elsie; Mark17; metmom; SouthernClaire; MHGinTN
All fallible witnesses. Holy Scripture inspired buy the Spirit is the only infallible testimony. No e of those you quote can be faithful witnesses in the matter in view. God’s gracious gift of salvation is based only on the invisible unseen Word-persuaded confidence in Jesus as Savior and Lord. This requires a response of both heart and mind of a sentient hearer of the preached Word (Rom. 10:12) which it is totally impossible for an infant. Your idea would require a visible act performed by another upon the infant, even if it is only a couple of wet fingers. Salvation cannot be earned by any human works other than that of the Crucified One.

In Acts 2:38, “. . . be baptized every one of you in the nome of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins . . .”

Here both the grammar and consonance with Biblical doctrine require that the Greek preposition “eis” translated as “for” must be used in the foundational sense as in Mt. 12:41, to mean “on the basis of” that when less ambiguously translated means:

“. . . be baptized every one of you (by the delegated authority of) Jesus Christ (on the basis of) sins already forgiven (through faith alone in the shed blood of Jesus, 1 Jn. 1:9) . . .”

This cannot mean that water baptism imparts salvation to an infant or to any sentient adult of any kind. Period. Done.

18 posted on 01/24/2023 9:17:04 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux (Let There Be [God's] Light!))
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To: Campion

Oh golly. Philosophers masking themselves as Christians pushed infant baptism - and loved a state church!

But no argument based on God’s Word.


29 posted on 01/24/2023 10:54:59 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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