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ARE THE UKRAINIAN POLITICAL ELITE STARTING TO EAT EACH OTHER?
Sonar 21 ^ | 20 Jan23 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 01/21/2023 7:31:45 AM PST by delta7

You know that happy feeling when things are going your way? Everything is turning up roses? You got a nice buzz going? Well, if you feel that way then you certainly are not a member of Ukraine’s ruling elite. Some genuine chaos unfolding in Kiev in the wake of Russia’s victory in Soledar.

Let us commence with the news that someone (or a group of someones) assassinated Ukraine’s top three intelligence officials — the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Denis Monastyrsky, his first deputy Yevgeny Enin and the State Secretary of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Yuriy Lubkovich. Wait a minute (some will say) we do not know if this was a mechanical failure or pilot error. True, no final conclusions, yet. But an eyewitness interviewed by one of the Kiev media claimed:

that the helicopter with the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine on board was spinning and burning in the air before the collision. https://t.me/c/1840140143/126 If that witness is giving an accurate account then it is highly unlikely that the mid-air fireball was caused by pilot error or a mechanical malfunction. This sure sounds like a surface-to-air missile, like a U.S. supplied Stinger that popped up on the black market. Here is one of the rumors floating around Ukraine. It emerged shortly after the chopper crashed into a kindergarten courtesy of someone with the nom de plume, Hacker DPR Joker:

I will tell you all, my loyal followers, what happened today in Brovary. The Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine had long been aware that the leadership of the Ministry of Defense was trading Western arms, which came to Ukraine in the form of aid, for the benefit of third countries, and that this process was overseen directly by the head of the GUR, Budanov. By the way, this information has already surfaced somewhere.

The leadership of the Interior Ministry wanted their share and began collecting data through their structural units, which are associated with intelligence and surveillance. As a result, they managed to obtain evidence and began blackmailing. The military bosses promised a share to the police leadership, and the first tranche was paid. But it was pointless and unprofitable to pay any further.

In addition, the insolence of the minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who had his head in the wrong place, was putting the military leadership under strain. And now the day had come when the kids from the GUR were able to demonstrate their skills. But that is not all. The sanction for this was given personally by Yermak, who is also in on the secret from the supreme narcissistic clown, Zelensky. The key point for Hacker DPR Joker is that the head of Internal Affairs, Monastyrsky, was independent of the President, the military and the intelligence service (i.e., SBU). Because Monastyrsky is in charge of Ukraine’s national police, he and his subordinates were in a position to collect dirt on the illegal activities of Zelensky or the military and could use that as “leverage” (aka blackmail) to extract money or concessions.

That is at least one possibility that should be considered. What strikes me is that you had the equivalent of the FBI Director, the FBI Deputy Director and the Attorney General all on board the same aircraft. Why? What was their destination and why were all three on the same helo? Normal security procedures would keep the three men apart to avoid this very scenario. I cannot rule out the possibility that a Russian Spetznaz team carried out a hit. Regardless of who did it, this has created enormous turmoil within Zelensky’s government.

At a minimum, this is going to sharpen suspicions among the police, the military and the intelligence service. Warm, fuzzy feelings do not abound.

Preceding all of this was the forcible removal of Oleksii Arestovych, a former Ukrainian intelligence officer who, until this past weekend, was directing strategic communications for Zelensky. Mr. Arestovych made the mistake of telling the truth about a missile strike on an apartment building in Dnepropetrovsk. Accoridng to Arestovych, it is an errant Ukrainian missile. He said it was not Russian. Whoops!! That is verbotten. Not only was he fired (he reportedly tried to resign), but his name popped up today on the Ukrainian hit list reserved for enemies of Ukraine. That’s right. After a year of faithfully telling lies for Zelensky, he says something truthful and next thing you know he has a target for execution on his back.

Not a lot of good news in Ukraine other than the United States and Europe are promising to send more weapons to a beleaguered Ukrainian army. I actually think the Russians are more delighted by this than Ukraine. Reminds me of a scene from Game of Thrones when Tyrion Lannister thanks mutineers for an unexpected gift:


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KEYWORDS: moneymoneymoneymoney; notourwar; war
Seems the hyper corrupted Ukie government officials are exhibiting the old Ukie Mafia tactics. More proof everyday the Ukies brought down their own Minister’s Puma, over “ non payment” of US arms sales…welcome to the wonderful world of extreme Ukie corruption.

Ukraine is now eating their own, not a good sign for the war cheerleaders.

1 posted on 01/21/2023 7:31:45 AM PST by delta7
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To: delta7

What are their FR screen names?


2 posted on 01/21/2023 7:35:57 AM PST by bigbob (p)
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To: delta7

I support Zelensky and thr Ukranians but we shouldn’t encourage them to fight to the last Ukranian to support the Military–industrial complex.


3 posted on 01/21/2023 7:42:58 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: delta7

Larry Johnson? Yeah, that’s a super reliable source. /sarc


4 posted on 01/21/2023 7:49:22 AM PST by Salohcin
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To: Salohcin

“Larry Johnson? Yeah, that’s a super reliable source. /”

He is reliable in that he has been wrong 100% of the time when writing about this war.

Thus we can know for certainty that whatever he predicts won’t come true.


5 posted on 01/21/2023 7:53:44 AM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: delta7
'Larry Johnson'

Snort!

6 posted on 01/21/2023 7:54:33 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: bigbob

Read their posts. That will tell the tale.


7 posted on 01/21/2023 7:55:08 AM PST by sport
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To: bigbob

“What are their FR screen names?”

You’ll know soon enough...it’s the only topic they post on.


8 posted on 01/21/2023 7:57:44 AM PST by BobL
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To: Salohcin

>>Larry Johnson? Yeah, that’s a super reliable source. /sarc

Doesn’t have to be reliable. The facts are three bigwigs and some lesser tools went down in a chopper. The rest is speculation. It’s what you do in the absence of data. You get heuristic and start running scenarios. 3 Intel dudes inna same chopper. Let’s speculate. Chopper goes down. Let’s speculate. Nothing wrong with it. Johnson says he’s speculating. Speculation becomes a crime only when you say it is fact. Instead of saying “speculation” let’s say model generation or scenario analysis. Intel dudes do it alla time.


9 posted on 01/21/2023 8:00:21 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: BobL
You’ll know soon enough...it’s the only topic they post on.

Incessantly.

Obsessively.

All day, every day.

10 posted on 01/21/2023 8:03:44 AM PST by Allegra
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To: delta7

Fighting about how to divvy up the US $$$$.


11 posted on 01/21/2023 8:16:54 AM PST by cp124 (80% of everything is fake or a lie.)
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To: delta7

Thieves fall out. Always.


12 posted on 01/21/2023 8:22:15 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: delta7

Ping me when they start pushing each other out of windows, like they do in russia.


13 posted on 01/21/2023 8:35:41 AM PST by lump in the melting pot (Believe nothing until it is denied by the Kremlin)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I would support Zelensky, and I certainly feel for the regular Ukrainian people, but the Democrats like him way too much and that makes me suspicious. If Mitch McConnell, I know not a Democrat but acts like one, says Ukraine is our top priority and Blinken makes speeches touting more billions for Ukraine, I just have to wonder who is in on the con. We the People are the mark. Ukraine gave Hunter Biden a BUNCH of money and that is just the one we hear about because we already know but there are others. They are mostly Democrats. All this says to me that all is not as it appears.


14 posted on 01/21/2023 8:49:51 AM PST by webheart
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To: webheart
I would support Zelensky, and I certainly feel for the regular Ukrainian people, but the Democrats like him way too much and that makes me suspicious.

If Zelensky has to bribe the Bidens to get arms for Ukraine, then of course he's doing that.

15 posted on 01/21/2023 8:53:33 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: BobL

It is a damned shame that we cannot have a rational conversation about what is happening in the Ukraine. It is an incredibly complex and layered issue that reveals so much about the Western intel state, the oligarchs on both sides, the WEF/globalists, and the massive corruption that is rotting the world.

My sympathy has been and will continue to be with the poor people on both sides who have about as much say over this insanity and you and I do about the southwest border. Those looking for angels at the top on either side will be disappointed.

This should have never happened and now many of these same idiots talk about nuclear weapons like my family talks about the price of eggs. Frightening.


16 posted on 01/21/2023 9:06:11 AM PST by volunbeer (We are living 2nd Thessalonians)
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To: delta7

Excellent read:

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-world-blood?utm_campaign=post


17 posted on 01/21/2023 9:34:32 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: delta7

So much Russkie propaganda on FR.


18 posted on 01/21/2023 9:47:52 AM PST by kenmcg (ti hi o)
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