“No, they didn’t. They only called for autonomy at that point in time, period.”
Now you’re just trying to rewrite history. But unfortunately for you, we live in the information age, so proof that they did in fact issue declarations of independence from Ukraine is just seconds away for anyone interested in finding out who is telling the truth here:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2014/5/12/ukraine-separatists-declare-independence
“But Ukraine military has airplanes don’t they.”
Exactly my point. The Ukrainian military is who Russia was arming the separatists to fight, not simply the Azov paramilitaries as you tried to claim. And arming a group of separatists to fight their own government’s army is fomenting a revolution in a foreign country. Thanks for proving my point.
“Oh contraire, it is material despite your claims that it isn’t. Unless it can be proven that they knowingly targeted a passenger plane, it’s not a war crime.”
That MIGHT be material if I was claiming they committed a war crime, but I didn’t claim that, so yes, it’s immaterial. All I have claimed is that they shot down the plane with a missile system provided to them by Russia, which you’ve already conceded. Nothing else really matters at this point, since you’ve basically conceded every point of my argument to me, with the exception that you for some reason seem to think you can deny that they issued declarations of independence despite the fact that it’s documented and they made press releases about it.
“Again, why are you ignoring the obvious elephant present in the discussion?”
As I’ve already told you, I ignore what is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I understand you would like to steer the conversation to some other topic, but I have no interest in that and have no obligation to indulge you in that.
September 16, 2014 (Date Ukraine Parliament granted autonomy) While some of the fighters may have pushed to become separate from Ukraine, the majority did not want to become part of Russia again. They wished to co-exist as the Ukrainians that they were. The Ukraine Parliament did not grant them separation, they granted them autonomy. The Donbas region voted for autonomy and accepted the autonomous proposal even though under the legislation, rebel-held parts of Ukraine's eastern Donetsk and Luhansk regions will be granted a "special status," giving them broader autonomy for only a temporary three-year period.
They wanted nothing more than to stop the terroristic attacks that they were facing.
While words have meaning, by now you should know that the press, including the VOA (Voice Of America), will use the language that is the most disparaging towards their enemy at the moment, which was Russia. But only because the Democrats were saying that Russia was the enemy.
After all, if you know that the 2020 election was stolen. you are considered and have been publicly labeled a domestic terrorist. If you are a parent that has fought against sexual indoctrination of your child, you are also labeled as are the "election deniers", dangerous domestic terrorists.
Yet, you support what these people have done. Are you just a shill here pretending to be a conservative who is concerned about their country, but in reality couldn't care less about this county?
Exactly my point. The Ukrainian military is who Russia was arming the separatists to fight, not simply the Azov paramilitaries as you tried to claim. And arming a group of separatists to fight their own government’s army is fomenting a revolution in a foreign country. Thanks for proving my point.
You keep repeating the same old BS, while ignoring the fact that Ukraine was allowing the Azov fighters to have free run without any concern that they would pay for their terroristic acts. If our government started doing the same, wouldn't you arm yourself as strongly as you possibly could? Most people I know would do just that.
As I’ve already told you, I ignore what is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I understand you would like to steer the conversation to some other topic, but I have no interest in that and have no obligation to indulge you in that.
Well, no that is the first time I had heard that with regards to a peaceful resolution that avoids the invasion and all that goes with it. That is the topic you moronic fool, or is it useful idiot. Either way the outcome is the same.
So, you really are nothing more than a scumbag, who wanted this proxy war where Ukraine becomes the battlefield, and the Ukrainian people become the fodder. You have also exposed yourself as a very concerned person, because that also is a fraud.
End of discussion, for I have exposed that you are a neo-con scumbag.