The 13th has been infringed on every 4 years starting with Abraham Lincoln.
Posted on 01/15/2023 7:21:33 AM PST by Jacquerie
Bump
Thankfully, joementia reminds us that none of the amendments are absolute. So, any blowback if someone infringes on the, say, 13th or 19th amendments? 🤪
Article V ping!
The 13th has been infringed on every 4 years starting with Abraham Lincoln.
In before the Convention Cowards start soiling their drawers.
Where is the movement to repeal? I can see in my minds eye right now, the arguments from Politicians that money will become all powerful in the election of Constitutional Senators. An argument that can’t possibly be seen as speaking of reality. Yet the moron masses will lap it up. They LOVE having powerful people above them. For some reason, it makes them see, themselves as more important. Though less empowered, they FEEL more empowered.
I’d bet not one American in a thousand is aware of the 17A, let alone the damage it has done.
I must admit, given the myriad Obiden/Deep State crimes and evil policies, I thought by now most every Freeper would be on board for a COS.
Silly me.
same with the 19th ...
From the essay:
The post-17A senate was to respond to the people’s needs and free the senate from corruption and wealthy interests. Progressives built their movement on the promise of cleaner government less subject to corporate influence and bribery, and a more responsive and efficient senate that dealt effectively with the issues of greatest concern to the people.Given the period of industrialization coming out of Reconstruction, I argued that what some saw as "wealthy interests" and "corporate influence," others might see as state industry leaders and prominent wealthy state families.
If one state was primarily controlled by lumber interests, another state dominated the iron ore industry, and a third state had large steel mills developed during the rail boom, wouldn't the legislative agendas of these states want to find a way to bring these industries together in cooperation for projects profitable to all the states, such as in housing or commercial construction?
The Senate was the place where states negotiated cooperative compacts between the leading influencers and factions within their respective states, bringing together the exploitation of regional resources in ways that a single state could not.
Today, the Compacts Clause of the Constitution seems like a dead letter. The last we heard of it was during the push to work around the Electoral College with the National Popular Vote movement. But what was the true purpose of the Compacts Clause if not to support the role of the Senate in our bicameral legislature? The Compacts Clause was a check on the Senate by requiring the House to agree to deals made in the Senate between the several states.
I'd like to see more discussion on this point of the Constitution.
-PJ
Time to repeal the 17th.
Only if we could exclude "Progressives" from such an event.
My expectations are not optimistic. A Convention would be subverted by the Left before delegates were even selected. And we would get a new Constitution almost immediately in a series of new amendments and repeal of existing provisions. The first and second amendments would be gone. Lots of other stuff would be added. None of it would be an improvement.
State governments might resist the work product of a convention and refuse to ratify it. Or they might not resist. The Left would not be standing idle in the State governments if a Convention was scheduled. They would be putting maximum pressure on "Red" states to approve all of the new amendments. That would certainly include "Silver or Lead" proposals for the more difficult holdouts. They would be playing for all the marbles, forever. There are no limits on what they would do.
The Left has already cheated their way into power in the last two national elections. They are on track to do the same in 2024. Clearly, they have the manpower and organizational skills. They might very well be able to control a Convention of States and the subsequent ratification of the work product.
I see no upside to a Convention.
Let us start with this. Democracy is not what the founders gave us. Democracy fails every time it is tried, just like socialism.
Repeal of the 17th is the first item The convention of States should promulgate.
and then the 19th immediately thereafter ...
Chuckles. Strong evidence to support that.
The 17th amendment officially killed the republic. We became a RINO nation. A republic in name only.
...and it’s evil twin sister, the 16th.
Agree.
Separation of electors to the Framers’ four institutions (House, Senate, Exec, Judiciary) was the foundation of separation of powers. The 17A destroyed the foundation of the senate, and with it, the entire Congress.
Fluff amendments (congressional term limits, balanced budget, etc) are worthless.
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