Posted on 01/07/2023 3:21:28 PM PST by SeekAndFind
“There’s no telling what Gaetz was able to extract from McCarthy to save him the embarrassment of not winning on Friday night.”
I think Gaetz traded his vote to be Chair of one of the Committees. Maybe the Committee that now is chaired by the guy who they had to haul out? Who knows? I figure it’ll be apparent soon enough what the deal was.
Thanks for this excellent recent history reminder!:
Also, this drama wouldn’t have happened if a red wave would’ve materialized in the 2022 midterms.
The Rebels wouldn’t of had the leverage.
Next, what can be done, seriously and successfully, to create betterment, among the entire GOP and among the entire leadership of the U.S. Senate?
Wouldn't that be awesome. Dan Crenshaw was over there talking to Gaetz right after Rogers was toted off, and Crenshaw was supposedly set to be the new Homeland Security Chairman, so maybe him too. It had to be big, to get Gaetz to switch his vote that quick, after just humiliating McCarthy to the core.
Wake me up when that House Rules package is actually passed.
Crenshaw chairing any committee? After he called the 20 terrorists or insurrectionists or something?
Hopefully, Censhaw will be shoved to the sidelines where he belongs.
Yes, absolutely. It was extremely inappropriate for the potentially incoming Homeland Security Committee Chair to be calling anyone in Congress a terrorist, even Democrats. But that appointment has been rumored.
It's very possible Crenshaw came over to tell Gaetz he was withdrawing his name from consideration, which Gaetz was waiting on. Worst case, he was threatening Gaetz, which impacted Gaetz decision, but I think it would be more likely the former.
Check this out:
What Happened to Dan Crenshaw? What’s with his Bloody Hand in the House?… Is Someone Punching Walls?
The pictures at the link are from when he was talking to Gaetz.
So the only enforcement mechanism in this agreement is the “Single member vote to oust Speaker”.
So if McCarthy does not allow a vote on any of the other “agreements” one member can make a motion to oust the Speaker ... and then when no one else or only a handful of Reps. back that one member and the vote goes down in flames and McCarthy retains his Speakership ... then what? Business as usual?
Remember: Federal spending bills MUST originate in the House. So, now we need to hold the GOP responsible for gumming up the works for Fedzilla’s many unconstitutional programs and departments.
It’s time to stand firm on not raising the debt limit and zero out the budgets of the following:
- Virtually all of the “three-letter agencies.”
- Military aid for Ukrai-Nazis.
- The US participation in NATO and the UN.
- Any funding to “fight gloBULL warming.”
- Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security
- The Federal Reserve System
- Many other agencies and programs too numerous to name here.
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Oh my. I was just pointed to this article after it was specifically mentioned on Shannon Bream’s show this morning.
It claims that after Gaetz had masterfully blocked McCarthy, by holding out to be the last and final deciding vote, that the last thing he was holding out for was to replace Rogers as the chair of the Armed Services Subcommittee. This explains why Rogers came down and started screaming at Gaetz.
We knew that something had changed Gaetz’s mind, going directly from humiliating McCarthy brutally, to then suddenly forging the way for him to win, and have been trying to figure it out on this thread and others.
According to this article, Trump called Gaetz at that moment and quote “ripped him a new a-hole” which is what caused Gaetz to relent.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
If this is true, I’m COMPLETELY P-O’d about it!
“the last thing he (Gaetz) was holding out for was to replace Rogers as the chair of the Armed Services Subcommittee.”
I was pretty sure the dust-up had to do with Gaetz ousting Rogers as Committee Chair.
Gaetz would be better than Rogers, as Rogers has ties to military contractors. That’s always suspicious. (The details were posted here Friday or Saturday.). My take on it is that Rogers has been riding a gravy train with kick-backs and bribes, and he sees that ending. Why else would he respond in such an over-the-top way? He should be asking, “What’s best for the country?”
But if Gaetz was in the whole thing simply to make a deal for himself, instead of based on principles, that’s not good. If he did, then Boebert is the only one that comes out with her conservative creds intact.
That Trump/Gaetz issue is interesting.
So did Gaetz change ‘cause he cut a deal, or because jumped ugly on him — or both? Maybe we’ll never know.
Earlier that week, Gaetz had insisted on a House Armed Services subcommittee gavel as his prize for backing McCarthy McCarthy told him he couldn’t give him that position — that decision was up to committee Chair MIKE ROGERS (R-Ala.).
Did you catch that? Gaetz said in order to get me to vote FOR you, you have to demote Rogers and insert me, which Gaetz likely knew would never happen, even though it should. He was applying maximum pressure to get that powerful RINO sidelined, which it now is evident that Trump and McCarthy were protecting.
And, Gaetz never did relent. He voted Present on the 14th, and again voted Present on the 15th. There were others, like Rosendale and Crane, that apparently changed their votes. They, like Gaetz did only voted Present on the 15th, but they had voted for someone in name on the 14th, which carries more weight than voting Present. So it was others besides Gaetz who changed their votes that ultimately made the difference, not Gaetz.
if Gaetz was in the whole thing simply to make a deal for himself, instead of based on principles, that’s not good.
I would agree with that, but I think you know that's not an accurate description of what happened here, once you consider your question in total. Gaetz was the organizer and frontman for the whole operation, which was primarily designed to break up the Omnibus and obtain other rules concessions, if not oust McCarthy completely. He has proven himself, by not accepting lobbyist donations, and pushing McCarthy/Trump to the brink to emerge as the new pure and true face of MAGA. MAGA was actually a term coined by Reagan, and is not solely owned by Trump.
That Trump/Gaetz issue is interesting.
From my position, which is growing almost daily in actual opposition to Trump, I believe that Gaetz and Bannon are extremely disappointed in Trump, for not taking them up on their request he be named temporary/honorary Speaker.
As the leaked documents to National File showed, the original plan written on House Freedom Caucus letterhead was to use Trump to help oust McCarthy. Bannon made several impassioned pleas for it this last week on his show. It would have been best for everyone, for Trump to step up, put in place the new Congress and Committee assignments and rules.
Even if you don't win, SHOW WHAT YOU STAND FOR. Well, we did get that. Trump stands for McCarthy, and Trump made calls to those who changed their votes between the 14th and 15th votes (not Gaetz), to make sure a-holes like Rogers and Crenshaw are now our Committee chairs.
I'm disgusted with it, and him. We got a lot, but it could have been a lot more, with Trump's support, but he showed his true colors, and is simply part of the Hannity cabal if you ask me.
Thanks again.
“Bannon made several impassioned pleas for it (he be named temporary/honorary Speaker) this last week on his show.”
Did he ever!!! Not subtle in any way.
“It would have been best for everyone, for Trump to step up, put in place the new Congress and Committee assignments and rules.”
He couldn’t just show up and do it, could he? Could he have done that without a 118 vote? Would he have received 118?
“Even if you don’t win, SHOW WHAT YOU STAND FOR. Well, we did get that.”
Yes. I think that Gaetz and Boebert are the heroes here.
“Trump made calls to those who changed their votes between the 14th and 15th votes (not Gaetz), to make sure a-holes like Rogers and Crenshaw are now our Committee chairs.”
1. Why did he insert himself as Chief Bully?
2. Any chance Rogers and Crenshaw will end up NOT as Chairmen?
Thank you MM, for putting your honest thoughts down, which as usual find us mostly on the same page.
This is a great question. There could be some good reasons, but they mainly would have to center on the "can't we all just get along" side of things, wouldn't they? Something I'm aware of is needed at times, such as the Rule vote coming up on Monday, but not something worthy of continuing to allow the $2 Trillion Omnibuses enemas, as he was by endorsing the election of McCarthy even before the first vote.
More likely it's just raw political power, that McCarthy was likely going to get, anyway, and Trump wanted to claim ownership to that some himself. Even if it was corrupt political power, that allowed Omnibuses etc to continue. This is where the line was ultimately drawn between Gaetz's group and Trump.
Gaetz doesn't want to "play ball" or particularly like those who do. He's willing to fight to stop things like the Omnibus, even if it puts his career in jeopardy, which this certainly did. He's no Trump who can just ride off to one of his worldwide resorts like Trump can. Trump has the bigger safety net, biggest of anyone obviously, which is one of the main reasons I don't like it when he starts giving in on things.
2. Any chance Rogers and Crenshaw will end up NOT as Chairmen?
And thank you very much for continuing to try to stay positive, as that possibility does still exist. While I am for the most part happy with the concessions announced so far, and still expecting the actual rules vote to pass tomorrow, Committee Chairs were something within reach as well, I believe.
Those votes are later in the week I believe, but the rumors are nothing has changed except maybe the membership, not Chair. Crenshaw gave an interview this morning where he said basically every Republican is happy with the new rules, which sounds to me like he is at least safe, as he has been full of venom up until now. Maybe he was told to pipe down but I doubt it. The swamp is back in full control and Gaetz and crew will be needing our support again soon, I'd bet.
As the little Communist "Squad" is the tail usually wagging the Socialist Democrat dog I find it appropriate these determined MAGA reps are moving to do likewise to the squishes and RINOs. Bout time they started using real tactics to turn the tables.
I'm not interested in stories about who the "real winner" is, I'd rather hear how the American people are the "real winners."
It's my belief that stories like this are psyops intended to subliminally coerce people like McCarthy and his staff into reconsidering what they did, just as Pharoah reconsidered what he did in the movie.
No good can come from reneging on such a public agreement, and people who write stories trying to antagonize those who gave the concessions are no good, too.
-PJ
Rogers is not known as the Senator from Ratheon for nothing.
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