Posted on 12/20/2022 6:57:44 PM PST by shadowlands1960
People who have received mRNA Covid vaccines are at least twice as likely to be infected with the coronavirus as unvaccinated people, according to two new papers from researchers in Indiana and Ohio.
Worse, the newer of the two studies, which covered Omicron this fall, found risk actually rises with the number of shots.
People who had received three or more shots were more than three times as likely to be infected as those who hadn’t received any.
For people who have been vaccinated - especially those who have received a third or fourth shot - the papers will make for disturbing reading. They suggest vaccinated people may have few good options to protect themselves from infection should a more virulent variant of Omicron emerge. (results paywalled for 72 hrs)
From what I have observed, anecdotal information is far more reliable than TV news information .
We got the J&J as well, spouse got a booster a year ago. We traveled to Europe last September, rode on busy trains, buses, interacted with many people. Haven’t gotten it so far. Basically, we tried to live as normally as possible since May 2020. So far, so good.
As I said very early on ... one of these days, “unvaccinated” will be the desired status. It appears that day has arrived.
This seems like it could lead to immunological issues down the road... we are obviously not as advanced in this area as we like to think we are.
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I agree, MA. This article is just off. The excerpt does not match what the actual study said. In fact, in the study’s abstract the authors say that the Covid vax was effective overall.
Disclaimer: I’m vax-neutral overall, and very much against the mRNA ones.
The study is here:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full.pdf
The J&J is an mRNA vax like Pfizer and Moderna. It just adds a stop to get there. Rather than introduce mRNA directly into the cell, the J&J introduces virus-encoded DNA into the cell via an adenovirus. The cell then produces mRNA from the DNA. And then from the mRNA it produces the spike protein. The result is the same — the cell gets spoofed into producing spike protein by mRNA. There’s a belief that J&J is a “traditional” vaccine but it’s not.
The closest you can get to a traditional vaccine is Novavax. Unlike the others, it doesn’t use an mRNA pathway to induce your body to create the virus protein. Instead it directly injects the virus protein into the body like a traditional vaccine.
I got the J&J and when I got the covid (5/22) I thought it was seasonal allergies until my wife got a slightly worse case the same time. Four days and done for each of us.
I suspect he was seeking attention then. I was only able to read his summary and the cutout in the jpeg.
stop = step
My understanding was that J&J’s was an already proved technology.
Here’s the link to the study .... it was in the article if you clicked on ‘the newer’ (underlined words in 2nd paragraph):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full.pdf
As an addition to my post #27, I would encourage folks to read the study’s introduction as well as the abstract. The introduction seems to be clearer than the abstract (to me, anyway).
I find the whole thing odd, shadow. Perhaps the article’s author simply misunderstood the study’s abstract. As I noted above, the abstract doesn’t seem to be very clear.
And of course it’s possible that I was the one who misread the study.
Thanks.... went right to the ‘conclusion.’ Not very scary....
Or as he said, he read two studies and perhaps synthesized them in a way we aren’t seeing...
But muh Science!
The initial step of using an adenovirus to get DNA into the cell has been around since the 1980’s. But the mRNA aspect is new. The distinguishing feature of the new Covid vaccines — including J&J — is they use mRNA to induce the cell to build the spike protein. This hadn’t been done before.
Only Novavax doesn’t game your body into producing the spike protein. It uses the old-school approach of simply injecting the protein.
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