Posted on 11/16/2022 2:35:22 AM PST by fruser1
Here is a resounding fact that is not being reported on.
This is from pubs on the ground at the precinct level.
Republicans did not show up at the polls.
Even in republican heavy districts, democrats won.
Not because of cheating.
But because of voter apathy.
The pubs did not show up.
the old “ It’s gonna be a wave” convinced the lazy that their vote was not needed.
They stayed home.
This is such a dumb argument. Firstly, most of these already had Liberals in place. We’re the Liberals in place also Trump’s fault? Someone like Kari Lake is EXACTLY the type of person and candidate you would want in government. Should Trump not have endorsed her because the GOPe were intent on making her fail? If that’s the case then what difference does winning really make if you can’t win with candidates who can actually make a difference? The question should be why someone like Ron DeSantis and Yonkin and Pence NOT endorse her. It’s on THEM to explain, not Trump. Next, sure, the GOPe can throw elections. They doesn’t prove that candidates are week. It says that the party is pathetic. MAGA can also throw elections if we take our ball and go home by refusing to support anyone but Trump. That’s what the GOPe does. The fact that the elections in many cases had to be stolen was mail in scams proves that the candidates were formidable indeed....endorsements could show the Strength of Trump, especially amongst the party but his candidates losing prove exactly nothing. Obama lost 1000+ seats nationwide and won a historic landslide reelection against what were told was exactly the type of candidate who could win. Doesn’t enflame the middle, well spoken, was able to cross over to the other side and very conservative to the electorate. It wasn’t even close. He wasn’t competitive in PA, WI (where his VP was from) or MI. He lost Ohio and if I remember he may have squeaked by FL. Trump made Ohio and Iowa solid red and hammered Biden by 400k votes in Florida. WI is not a very competitive state and the ONLY reason you can even talk about the GOP taking WI is because Trump talks to and about working class issues. Bringing home the manufacturing base and tariffs is very appealing to steal town and farmland USA. This is not who DeSantis, for example, speaks to with his “Conservative” branding. If you think DeSantis is more likely to carry MI and PA than Trump I’ll say you’re very much mistaken. Also, Trump and his ideas for the party is what is speaking to blacks, Hispanics and the GOP, when they follow his lead, makes amazing in roads. No evidence DeSantis has national appeal to blacks what soever.if you think Trump is going to be pushed aside because Pence is on Fox News or because DeSantis beat a garbage candidate in a state that he’s run very well I’ll say you’re very much mistaken. Trump isn’t the media caricature that they say he is. He’s very sharp and didn’t a lot of good for the party and continues to do just that.
Also, the Repukes are just as culpable as Biden. They didn’t try to stop him. They helped him
Some of his candidate picks are just terrible... almost as bad as his cabinet picks. Oz and Walker come to mind, but that’s not what would make me choose someone else in the primary.
People like me will be deciding if they want to put up with another 4 years of the Trump $**tstorm - with him being in his 80s.
Might not be as fun or productive as some seem to think.
“I got on the fence for a minute but after one of the best speeches he has ever given yesterday...”
Indeed so, Trump indeed drifted a bit the last few months. However he was back on message last night (like trade, border & energy policies) we haven’t heard in two years.
I’d agree with those that say this announcement is a bit early, however it will cause the MSM, grifting RINOs, many fed/agency employees and thieving politicians to ‘move on’ if you will.
‘The guiltiest speak the loudest’ it is said and just may cause the crooks on the left and right to find another career rather than be targets of prosecution - like Trump knows so well.
I think we’ll see that the RNC, the Republican Senatorial Committee (who didn’t help some candidates) are more to blame than President Trump. He helped his candidates with rallies and $$$$$$. I am not giving a dime to the group but only to individual candidates.
I can see fraud a mile long and an hour wide in Arizona. True the Vote had thousands of calls from voters trying to vote!!!
Sorry, but I believe Kari Lake. IF I had really known Abbott was going to clobber Robert O’Rourke, I would have written in Kari Lake for Texas governor!!
Instead, it was a fizzle because Trump and his picked leader of the party,
100% wrong.
Ballot harvesting and vote fraud. Your theory is based bad data. Republicans didn’t lose with the voters, they lost with the tabulators.
Did you vote for the Trump endorsed candidates in Arizona? If you say his endorsement was a “kiss of death” and you’re conservative, did you vote and support conservatives? Or, did you skip the election, vote Libertarian, or do something else because you’re actually an anti-Trump partisan?
I think these are fair questions if you’re going to grouse about Trump. If you voted for him and are saddened to see his candidates lose, then I can understand the disappointment. If, however, you voted against his candidates (or didn’t vote), then you’re part of the problem.
From your other comments, you did vote for the Trump-endorsed candidates. In that case, I feel your pain. I agree the Trump endorsement may be a negative for some voters, especially moderate Republicans. It’s not so much Trump’s position on issues as the way the media attacks him. I mean, Democrats were out there saying democracy would die if the “election deniers” won.
Correct never vote for who the media wants you to vote for.
Ping
Yes.
It is easy to claim victory for endorsing a candidate who is a show in!
E.g. in AZ we had two Reps running for congress unopposed. Anybody could endorse them and claim victory credit!
What matters is, if endorsement worked in close contested race!
And, obviously, it DID NOT!
What specific vote fraud was committed?
Ballot harvesting is not vote fraud. It is perfectly legal and was used by Republicans, finally, to pick up wins in California House races.
well, the elections were chaos and results are strange.
But it seems to me that Blake and Finchem lost fair and square. The difference is pretty big.
Even the prop 309, which was supposed to fix most of the problems appears to be lost, guaranteeing the same chaos for a while in the future. If Reps will hold the narrowest margin in AZ congress with dem governor and SecState, only RINO supported bills will pass.
The only positive is that Finchem is not going to be in AZ senate. The guy is actually a RINO, but somehow appealed to Trump. The flip site, Fontes is the most tricky Democrat. Creating laws to benefit Dems on the run, daily. Very smart crook!
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