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Putin's nuclear threats are pushing people like Trump and Elon Musk to press for a Ukraine peace deal. A nuclear expert warns that's 'dangerous.'
Business Insider ^

Posted on 10/17/2022 10:38:31 AM PDT by MNDude

An understandable desire to avoid a nuclear war could actually make the world more dangerous if it means rushing to implement a "peace" in Ukraine that serves Russian interests, an expert told Insider.

Such a move, which some influential figures have called for, risks setting a precedent that atomic blackmail is the way to win wars and take territory troops can't otherwise hold, a model that could be copycatted by even the weakest nuclear-armed states, and may only succeed at delaying another war.

Pavel Podvig, an expert on Russia's nuclear doctrine and capabilities at the UN Institute for Disarmament Research, said in a phone interview from Geneva that such a deal — on terms deemed favorable by Moscow, in the wake of battlefield losses and in explicit response to the Kremlin's nuclear brinkmanship — could well make the world much less peaceful.

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To: MNDude

If there is a “peace deal” due to nuclear threats, it will open the floodgates to every rogue nation and group wanting nuclear weapons.


21 posted on 10/17/2022 10:51:45 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: MNDude

I think they should negotiate, absolutely.

But also smartly, and to no single side’s advantage.

Otherwise, it’s Chamberlain at Munich, 1938.


22 posted on 10/17/2022 10:52:11 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: ansel12

“That is up to the Ukrainians, if they want to talk surrender terms, then they will”

You think the Ukrainians are running their war? They can’t even arm themselves.


23 posted on 10/17/2022 10:53:14 AM PDT by Venkman
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To: MNDude

Do the world a favor and turn Ukraine into a parking lot.


24 posted on 10/17/2022 10:53:37 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: blueunicorn6
Talking about peace makes the world less peaceful?

Well, this Podvig guy *is* an “expert,” after all.

😉😜

25 posted on 10/17/2022 10:53:58 AM PDT by Allegra
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To: RoosterRedux

Yes, peace at any cost is preferable. Just ask Mr. Chamberlain, it worked out well when he tried it.


26 posted on 10/17/2022 10:54:06 AM PDT by Salohcin
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To: MNDude

I guess some agencies can try to spin anything


27 posted on 10/17/2022 10:55:12 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: Venkman

Ukrainians are fighting their war, for their country, against a Russian invasion.

If Ukraine wants to surrender and be conquered, then they will bring it up.


28 posted on 10/17/2022 10:55:19 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: MNDude

Normal person: I think it would be good if everyone didn’t die in a nuclear holocaust.

Crazy person: That means you love Vladimir Putin.

Normal person: No, I just think it would be a good idea to try to prevent the horrific death of literally everyone.

Crazy person: How much is the Kremlin paying you to say that?”

“Big Brains Going Extinct from Stupidity”
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/10/11/caitlin-johnstone-big-brains-going-extinct-from-stupidity/


29 posted on 10/17/2022 10:55:28 AM PDT by cranked
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To: ansel12
"That is up to the Ukrainians, if they want to talk surrender terms, then they will.

If America cut off weapons and money then Tiny Zelensky and the Ukraine they'd be at the piece table yesterday.

We don't owe the crooked Ukraine a damn thing and it's time to cut them off and kick them to the curb.

30 posted on 10/17/2022 10:55:50 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: MNDude

A peace deal is “dangerous” but a nuclear war isn’t?
Business Insider is NUTS.


31 posted on 10/17/2022 10:56:24 AM PDT by SmokingJoe ( )
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To: RoosterRedux

Its really quite incredible the lengths the media will go to perpetuate their narratives.

War is Peace.


32 posted on 10/17/2022 10:56:49 AM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: PGR88

Oh well there’s some real credibility! The CIA: Vietnam, spying on US citizens, WTC 93, 90’s terror bombings, USS Cole, 911, WMD’s in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan 20 years no strategy to win, the withdrawal debacle, numerous coups against Trump and obvious interference in US elections...


33 posted on 10/17/2022 10:57:20 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: ansel12
Ukrainians are fighting their war, for their country, against a Russian invasion.

If Ukraine wants to surrender and be conquered, then they will bring it up.

Forgive me if I repeat myself. If. America cut off weapons and money then Tiny Zelensky and the Ukraine they'd be at the piece table yesterday.

We don't owe the crooked Ukraine a damn thing and it's time to cut them off and kick them to the curb.

34 posted on 10/17/2022 10:59:08 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: MNDude

The gist of the article is correct: Putin’s nuclear saber rattling should simply be ignored. If he gets what wants now by doing this, it won’t stop. If we give in now, when Russia later threatens a NATO state, we can say “That’s different” but Russia will have no reason to believe we mean it. So not ignoring it will actually increase the threat of nuclear war.


35 posted on 10/17/2022 10:59:26 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: chuckee

Sensationalism gets clicks and more “site engagement” with users commenting on forums. Advertisers love that.


36 posted on 10/17/2022 10:59:28 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: RoosterRedux

BI=BS


37 posted on 10/17/2022 10:59:38 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: RoosterRedux
Purity of Essence...essence of purity...


38 posted on 10/17/2022 11:00:43 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: escapefromboston

If there was peace who would Biden blame for $6 gas?


39 posted on 10/17/2022 11:01:36 AM PDT by The Free Engineer
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To: Salohcin
Yes, peace at any cost is preferable. Just ask Mr. Chamberlain, it worked out well when he tried it.

I didn’t realize Chamberlain fomented a Revolution l in Germany, placing a puppet Pro-British Chancellor. Then assisted Revolutionary Germany in exterminating those against the Puppet Government.
40 posted on 10/17/2022 11:02:27 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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