Posted on 10/14/2022 5:11:27 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
Even the solutions turn into problems for Vladimir Putin in Ukraine — big problems. Less than a month after announcing a “partial” mobilization, Russian conscripts have entered into combat in Luhansk. And it appears that they are exiting almost as quickly, provoking even more backlash from nationalist milbloggers who are increasingly balking at Putin’s propaganda.
The Ukrainians reported their arrival in combat areas yesterday. Serhii Haidai, the top military official in Luhansk Oblast, claimed that the first conscript wave consisted mainly of ex-convicts:
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The Russian milbloggers didn’t take long to confirm the arrival of conscripts — and to complain about what happened next. ISW picked up on their chatter about the rapid demise of these untrained troops and their unhappiness with the chain of command:
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Putin may have hoped that the conscription — a much-demanded action from nationalists — would convince them to stick to the Kremlin’s talking points. However, that ignores a reality that matters even in authoritarian systems, including in Russia’s imperial/inferiority-complex culture. When dead bodies come back from the front, families and communities start asking questions. When those dead bodies belong to conscripted-by-force family members, questions aren’t the only thing raised.
ISW notes that nationalist milbloggers have begun to read that writing on the wall as well:
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I don't doubt problems with untrained convicts, but to call Ukrainians “crack combat troops with high morale and lots of hard-earned experience” is an incredible stretch for six months with very little training of their own.
Crazy propaganda from both sides!
Who is ISW? Couldn’t figure it out even after reading the link.
Its a front group for Neocon trash. Kristol is a board member.
Why do they call reserve units conscripts?
Is Ian Williams a pal of yours?
My new entertainment is reading comments from people claiming Russia is winning, while the Russian military continues to destroy itself in Ukraine. Somewhere in hell Baghdad Bob is smiling.
Russia has universal military service like Israel. And like Israel it has a careerist core to the forces, that are supplemented as needed by reservists who can be former careerists and conscripts. I could have it wrong though
Have the decency to inform readers of your thread that neocon and Trump hater, Bill Kristol is a board member of ISW. Then they can more easily disregard anything it has to say
The husband of my wife’s good friend from college was forced into the Ukrainian military. She left to Poland, but all men were kept in Ukraine.
These men are effectively conscripts—forced to fight.
Conscripts on both sides. That’s what the draft causes, too.
A conscript is anyone forced to fight in war.
Don't like the source? Find a better one, and it's not 'Moon of Alabama/KOS' or 'Sons of the New American Revolution' or 'The Saker' or whatever.
Yep, except in Russia there is no such concept. There are reserve units instead.
Its reporting has been dead on.
Two entirely different motivations, or lack thereof.
Oh I am sure it has with Kristol giving first hand accounts /s
Wow. I was just there. I need to look him up. He’s probably a Freeper based on some of the comments I read here.
Why the personal attacks?
So you think that Kristol actually sits down and writes those detailed daily summaries and draws those maps himself?
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