Posted on 10/02/2022 11:47:20 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
All the proof you can muster is summed up at #33.
Test run?
From June…
Massive mystery spill in the Baltic Sea
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4070770/posts
A whole lot of US Navy activity before the incident in that area!
When/How did they decide to be doing OPs in that area?
I’m sure all of your anti-American Comrades all concur. None of that answers the questions asked or to what advantage waste resources and reveal means to destroy two pipelines that are not in use?
(That was a most excellent post.)
If the US Navy did it and the western Baltic is an aquarium then all the NATO countries and Sweden and Finland knew about it. And Russia surely has ship monitoring sensors too. So Russia probably knows about it.
And no one is talking about it. Thus it was planned and agreed to by all NATO/Sweden/Finland.
Yeah, I see BlinkenIdiot welcomed the destruction of the NordStream pipelines as a great opportunity for America....
Things that make you go ‘Hmmmm.’
In spook terminology, it’s called “Cover For Action.”
Agreed. Technology and motive point to only 1 possible solution. I want to know if Europe agree with it or are we going to see a big fallout for killing the European economy. This may hurt Germany very hard. Germany is the biggest economy in Europe and EU.
Go eff yourself, and the homosexual horse you rode in on.
There is no honor in pulling a covert "energy Pearl Harbor" against your own "allies," and then trying to blame it on somebody else.
At least when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, they did it in airplanes with clear Japanese markings. They didn't do it underwater, and lie about who did it.
Where is the honor in a covert sneak attack that may cause millions of your "allies" to freeze to death, while their factories shut down and they face a great depression?
WHERE IS THE HONOR?
If you are proud of this U.S. conducted pipeline demolition operation, you would be proud of a back-shooting skunk who killed one of his "friends" to blame it on one of his "enemies."
If you are proud of this pipeline sabotage, you are the lowest homo skunk in the universe.
QUESTION: Do you have ANY sense of HONOR, or SHAME?
So all the people laughing about how pathetic Russian military equipment is and how they don’t have the technology or ability to maintain their oil/gas operations without western help are now claiming their UUV abilities to get deep into NATO rear Operational areas undetected, a long way from home are impeccable.
Pick the truth you believe and stick with it. Russian naval assets could not get there undetected.
Come on people. Are the drunk incompetent idiots with substandard rusting equipment or technological and tactical geniuses with the abilities we can’t stop or detect. You don’t get both sides.
Russia was precluded from putting any sensors or observation patrol boats over the pipeline, BY NATO.
PLEASE read this article from April 2021.
As a long-ago frogman who has locked out of submerged submarines, ridden in mini-subs, diving with air, mixed-gas and pure oxygen (no bubbles), and practiced all kinds of underwater demolition, this article rings 100% true.
It was >> NATO << that disallowed the Russians, or anybody, from putting ANY sensors or surveillance on the NS1 and 2 pipelines. Please read it all.
“Nord Stream 2 requires military protection”
Please read it, and then you will know more about the Nordstream 1 & 2 pipeline sabotage than 99.9% of people. But if you don’t want to read it all, here’s an excerpt:
There is a solution
Thus, our opponents have already clearly demonstrated their willingness to harm the project, and the security of Nord Stream (both) cannot be left to chance. The risk of sabotage against Nord Stream 2 using uninhabited [unmanned, poor translation] underwater vehicles at least does not look zero. What should Russia do in such a situation?
It would be worth creating a pipeline defense system. And not only the second line of the Nord Stream, but also the first - the interruption of any of them is fraught with the same problems for Russia.
The basis for such a system should be hydroacoustic equipment that allows detecting the use of UUVs. This equipment could be placed on surface ships, which could patrol the waters, at the bottom of which the pipeline lies. As a means of rapid response, one can consider a helicopter with a special unit on board, capable of quickly advancing to the area of the proposed operation of the NPA and detecting a vessel or carrier ship from the air.
It is hardly possible in this case to create a system that can prevent an attack in all cases. But it is quite possible to create a system for guaranteed interception of UUV carriers. This will create a reality for our adversaries in which they may be able to damage the pipeline, but absolutely cannot escape. And the operation against the Russian gas pipeline will certainly not be a secret. And this will make the operation technically possible, but politically impossible.
[NATO VETOED PUTTING ANY SENSORS/SURVEILLANCE ON THE PIPELINES. WHY?]
Please read it all.
Comrade McGee, you are just an American hater, despite whatever past credits you amassed, And as such a major disappointment. You must be proud of yourself being able to cast personal attacks, eh?
Occam’s razor: The US did this.
Next question: Which NATO nations approved this?
Ramifications: The US can’t be accused of directly “killing” people or the EU economy, because the EU already had chosen suicide, by shutting down the gas. The US has only severely reduced chances to negotiate between EU and Russia.
Unknowns: What will Populist-elected euro pols and the pitchfork-and-torches crowds do when everyone realizes Biden’s evil chicanery?
The other distinct possibility is that an ASW aircraft such as the P8 (and also some ASW copters from USS Kearsarge) were in the area tracking one or more Russian submarines.
>>”Comrade McGee, you are just an American hater”<<
So, your answer to #51 is, “as long as an American flag is attached to an underwater sneak attack Pearl Harbor, inflicted on our allies, and blamed on Russia, I am all good with it. Mission accomplished!”
[Same as, “If I shoot a ‘friend’ in the back, to blame it on my enemy, and I get away with it, it’s a great operation!”]
Meaning: You have no honor or shame. You are a lying, back-shooting dog.
Just to be clear to everybody who reads 46, 51, and 54.
(At least when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, they did it in clearly marked airplanes. They didn’t do it underwater, then deny it, and try to blame it on another party.)
Please read/study comments 10-35.
Tsk tsk - more name calling and conflation - certainly tarnishes your once shiny reputation. Just sad.
Anybody here can read 10-35, and make their own judgment about who blew up the pipelines.
Just as anybody can read 46, 51, 54, and 57, and judge who is a cur dog who would shoot a “friend” in the back, to blame it on another, and if he gets away with it, count it as a win.
At least the Japanese had the sense of honor to bomb Pearl Harbor in marked airplanes.
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