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After Student-Loan Forgiveness, Mandatory Credentialing Has to Go. It’s time to take college degrees off their legal pedestal.
James G. Martin Center for Academic Renewal ^ | September 21, 2022 | Frederick M. Hess

Posted on 09/21/2022 11:09:16 AM PDT by karpov

President Biden recently announced a controversial, half-trillion-dollar student-loan-forgiveness scheme in which his administration would use a minor provision of the post-9/11 HEROES Act to excuse student borrowers from repaying roughly $500 billion in federal taxpayer funds. This regressive, unnecessary, and perverse maneuver promises to steer vast sums to affluent college-goers, even as it encourages colleges to be ever more cavalier about raising tuition and future borrowers to take on additional debt.

Biden is sticking taxpayers with a half-trillion-dollar loss in order to subsidize borrowers who’ve decided college wasn’t worth the cost. That’s a pretty damning indictment of higher education. Even in an economy with 11 million unfilled jobs, where employers are desperate for workers, millions of borrowers say student loans feel more like a mandatory expense than a personal choice.

This all raises the question: Why are borrowers going into so much debt in the first place? Some of it is the product of dubious choices (buying a fine arts or women’s studies degree from a pricey private school should be viewed as a luxury purchase, not an investment). On the other hand, there are also lots of examples of students who have been encouraged—by counselors, popular culture, and parents—to see attending college as an obligation.

Why is that?

Well, today, thousands of employers routinely use college degrees as a convenient way to screen and hire job applicants, even when the credentials bear no obvious connection to job duties or performance. Indeed, researchers from Harvard Business School have documented troubling “degree inflation,” with employers demanding baccalaureate degrees for jobs that don’t obviously require one. Employer preference for degrees has risen even for entry-level occupations, like IT help-desk technicians, where the job postings don’t include skills typically taught in college.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education
KEYWORDS: anwr; bidenflation; college; creepstate; deepstate; frederickmhess; griggs; keystonexl; opec; policestate; singlepartystate
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1 posted on 09/21/2022 11:09:16 AM PDT by karpov
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To: karpov

There goes the “HS diploma or GED” requirement.


2 posted on 09/21/2022 11:16:01 AM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florida)
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To: karpov
Employers use college degrees and grades as hiring criteria, partially because those can be quantified on paper. And thus, provide evidence of non-discrimination.

Whereas if you hire based on a candidate's performance during a job interview, or your gut instinct, or a friend or relative's recommendation, well, how do you quantify that? How do you defend your hiring decision if hit with an employment discrimination lawsuit?

3 posted on 09/21/2022 11:23:13 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: karpov

Loan forgiveness is still not a sure thing. The university is already bleeding credibility. Loan forgiveness will dilute it double.


4 posted on 09/21/2022 11:28:41 AM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: karpov

The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers has a training facility on the road I use to drive home.

The parking lot is always full.

From the requirements it seems like a Master Electrician has as many years of education and apprenticeship as does someone with a Master’s degree from some university.


5 posted on 09/21/2022 11:37:36 AM PDT by packagingguy
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To: karpov

The government shouldn’t be in the student loan business to start with.


6 posted on 09/21/2022 11:38:33 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: karpov

I agree. I don’t want my heart surgeon to have a college degree. An online course from the University of Phoenix should suffice...

The problem isn’t that degrees are “mandated,” its that degrees are used as a first level weeding out process by lazy corporate Human Resource (or the more stylish “Talent Management) departments for their hiring processes.

No degree, automatic rejection of resume.


7 posted on 09/21/2022 11:42:28 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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Sorry, I owe you all a closing “ after “Talent Management.


8 posted on 09/21/2022 11:43:48 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: packagingguy
From the requirements it seems like a Master Electrician has as many years of education and apprenticeship as does someone with a Master’s degree from some university.

Except that an electrician is useful to society. Can't say the same for an MA, MFA or MBA.

9 posted on 09/21/2022 11:49:44 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: karpov

The use of the college degree as an entry requirement started when companies were discouraged, and some times prohibited from having a skills exam for new hires.

Just saying.


10 posted on 09/21/2022 11:51:35 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: taxcontrol
Yep, Griggs v. Duke Power.

Imagine arguing that an IQ test is discriminatory against you.

11 posted on 09/21/2022 11:56:20 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman.)
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To: karpov

You have two hours to type up a rental agreement form.

Pretend my daughter has to learn to use Word. Type up a quick start guide for her. You have three hours.

Type up what you know about the Revolutionary War, including its causes, in four hours.


12 posted on 09/21/2022 12:05:30 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: karpov

Pretend I don’t know how to use program W. Pretend to teach me how to use it.


13 posted on 09/21/2022 12:08:00 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Sirius Lee

MFA...

You’re either a musician or an artist or you’re not. A friend of mine was an excellent artist and illustrated medical literature, books and journals.

He never went to school to learn art, he was born with the talent.


14 posted on 09/21/2022 12:09:41 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: karpov

Many years ago, back in the 80’s, Frito-Lay decided that the old fashioned route salesman had to go. They started replacing the route drivers with idiots with marketing degrees.
Yes, that experiment fell apart just as quickly and spectacularly as you might expect.

The average person with a degree doesn’t want to get their hands dirty.


15 posted on 09/21/2022 12:22:54 PM PDT by oldvirginian
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To: Brian Griffin
You would have loved taking one of my midterm or semester final exams in accounting.

It was rumored that he thought of the questions on the walk to the classroom. Always consisted of 5 essay questions.

Here's the kicker: the first sentence of your answer on two, if not three of those questions started with, "based on the information you've given me, I cannot answer the question." Then you explained why.

I had that professor for over 30 semester hours. Not only did I receive a major in public accounting, I earned an unofficial minor in critical thinking. Oh yeah, he never used numbers, either.

Now I deal with managers and owners who think all you have to do is let QuickBooks do the work for you. There is little or no thought that goes behind the numbers with canned programs.

Accounting is a dinosaur, thanks to AI and computer programs.

16 posted on 09/21/2022 12:28:19 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: karpov

Where I worked the hourly employees with a trade made far more money than their salaried managers. Like 50% more. Granted they worked rotating shifts and had little vacation, but it was sometimes embarrassing. An electrician or machine operator making $125K and their supervisor(must have degree) making only $85K.


17 posted on 09/21/2022 12:53:45 PM PDT by blackdog ("That's an applause line you useful idiots" )
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To: taxcontrol
The use of the college degree as an entry requirement started when companies were discouraged, and some times prohibited from having a skills exam for new hires.

Another reason to hire collage graduates is it is easier to make the claim they are exempt from overtime rules whether are actually performing that type of work.

18 posted on 09/21/2022 1:00:48 PM PDT by EVO X ( )
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To: karpov

I should get the degrees for the student loans I’m being forced to pay off.


19 posted on 09/21/2022 1:05:33 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: taxcontrol

It started, as many things do, with a Supreme Court decision

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

The 1971 Griggs case decreed that companies could no longer use tests on applicants if it resulted in “disparate impact” (fewer blacks passing than whites)

Take that away (either through legislation or another SC decision) and companies can go back to having applicants take tests of literacy, math, and reasoning instead of having a diploma.


20 posted on 09/21/2022 1:07:08 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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