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Brandon and friends keep pushing for apartments and multi-family zoning, neither of which will work for large scale EV adoption.
1 posted on 08/31/2022 4:21:46 AM PDT by 3RIVRS
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China Model. Does it work there?


2 posted on 08/31/2022 4:26:25 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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Thank you.


3 posted on 08/31/2022 4:28:36 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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4 posted on 08/31/2022 4:33:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Last year we started a trip to Montreal in my diesel sedan,almost entirely via Interstates and "Autoroutes" (the "Interstates" of Quebec). Started with a full tank and had great luck,traffic wise,in both directions. About 805 miles later we pulled into a gas station near my house with the "miles to empty" thing reading 20.It took me about 4 minutes to refill it.

When I can do that...or anything resembling that (maybe 400 miles and 10 minutes)...in an EV I might consider buying one. Until then...no way,Jose!

5 posted on 08/31/2022 4:33:34 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Ballots)
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California's lunacy for no new ICE sales starting 2035 will reveal its fatal flaw once wildfire season starts.

Those who must flee, and own EV's, may be doomed due to a lack of charging stations and a reliable grid.

7 posted on 08/31/2022 4:37:50 AM PDT by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness
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The Cannon Ball Run race across America was done at an average 68 mph INCLUDING charging time. Gas cars do it faster but at greater risk.


8 posted on 08/31/2022 4:45:35 AM PDT by cicero2k
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The politicians who are forcing EVs on citizens are giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States.


9 posted on 08/31/2022 4:47:24 AM PDT by Carl Vehse (A proud member of the LGBFJB community)
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Here is who mines the EV battery material. Dems love slaves and slavery. They will love the child labor used here. (They should be ashamed). https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AWUC_enUS738US738&sxsrf=ALiCzsaLTN01_-zPANJG0lYb2pWdmz6DJQ%3A1661120546619&q=Lithium%20mine%20workers&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&vet=1&biw=2048&bih=1010&dpr=1.25&fbclid=IwAR2-s34pOGZXo_Hiws6ejKllO94WMW5ReSwVmWt2SrzrSOhWf-mQwHtvNgo#imgrc=z_f3Wog-S9L6QM


11 posted on 08/31/2022 4:53:05 AM PDT by Singermom
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16 posted on 08/31/2022 5:06:30 AM PDT by LouAvul (Complacency is the enemy of courage.)
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I love those “save the environment” commercials that show somebody at a recharging station pulling the “plug” out of their just-charged parked car, and then turning to re-insert the charging “plug” in the charger. It’s the same motion one uses when pulling the gas nozzle out of the car’s tank filler. So convenient looking.

What they don’t show...is the EV driver standing around for the 30 minutes to 8 hours while the vehicle charges.


18 posted on 08/31/2022 5:17:44 AM PDT by moovova
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From a political standpoint, Electric Cars can only be forced on Americans and Europeans if they are also forced on the rest of the world, and that won’t happen until Putin is replaced with a Western puppet (for starters), which is why the Ukraine War is so important to them - if Putin can be defeated in Ukraine, he’ll likely be driven out of power.

If not, he’ll continue to sell fossil fuels to the rest of the world, thereby making the US and Europe look like idiots trying to run our power grid without fossil fuels.


21 posted on 08/31/2022 5:20:27 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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This is what they want for us


23 posted on 08/31/2022 5:21:57 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm Free PureBlood)
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You know what else I've never heard or read about EVs? The TRUE range of the vehicle.

We've seen figures and ratings of 250+, perhaps 300 or more with some of the higher-end Teslas. Now they're even making purported "heavy-duty" pickup trucks.

They'll talk about the "impressive towing capacity" of these pickups, but what's the range when you have bags of cement in your bed? How far does that Tesla go when you have three suitcases, two backpacks and two passengers?

What about environmental conditions affecting your range? What if I'm traveling down I-65 toward Florida, and I have to go up and down some hills in Kentucky and Tennessee? Sure, downhill helps, but that's not always possible. What if the temperature is warmer and I need to run the AC? I do that today without thinking about it. What if it's 25 degrees out and I need to run the heater, defroster and the headlights? What if it's lightly raining and I need the windshield wipers? How about if I listen to the car stereo?

All of those things mentioned are going to negatively affect my battery charge. The range is the real story here--no one advertises it, no one refutes it. If you can only go 150 miles per full charge, that will greatly impact ability to travel (and be free), and I think that it the ultimate goal of the progressives touting these vehicles.

25 posted on 08/31/2022 5:26:53 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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Question... for people living In The cities, in high rise apartments, or in project buildings, where are the charging stations gonna go?

I would imagine the wait for an available charging station in a parking garage will be tremendous wi4h everyone wanting to recharge when they get off work or whatever. (Not to mention the fact that the brown outs caused by massive increase in demand for electricity will cause even further delays I. Recharging)


29 posted on 08/31/2022 5:48:28 AM PDT by Bob434 (question)
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and governments know the best way to screw the citizens is to takeaway their gasoline cars , they really get their kicks when that’s done


33 posted on 08/31/2022 6:26:40 AM PDT by butlerweave
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Undiscussed in the article is the economic problem of diminishing returns to scale and rising unit costs. For example, the supply of raw of materials used to produce batteries is even less responsive to demand than the supply of oil used to produce gasoline, which will cause rising production costs. As power companies attempt to expand the grid, the opportunity cost of devoting the locations used for the expansion to power generation will rise faster than the intended increase in generation.


34 posted on 08/31/2022 6:30:45 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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Here’s the real secret folks:

This isn’t about forcing people into electric vehicles. It is about forcing us out of cars altogether. Look closely.

The infrastructure to support EVs doesn’t exist - and it isn’t being built. The Powers What Is don’t plan to charge all that many EVs.

It would require twice the world’s current production of the materials required for the batteries for EVs, lithium, copper, nickle, cobalt, etc., to support those vehicles. The existing batteries are (currently) not recyclable. Their production and processing are destructive and toxic as is their disposal. There may not be enough of those materials accessible to build enough batteries to support a world of EVs.

So what is the actual plan? I suspect it is to cram the lot of us into urban hellholes. I also suspect it is for there to a lot fewer of us.


37 posted on 08/31/2022 7:07:03 AM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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1. EVs are powered by fossil fuels. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), fossil fuel-based power plants — coal, oil, or natural gas — create about 60% of the nation’s electrical grid, while nuclear power accounts for nearly 20%.

2. The batteries of EVs rely on cobalt. An estimated 70% of the global supply of cobalt emanates from the Democratic Republic of the Congo, a country with deplorable working conditions, especially for children.

3. A study released earlier this year by an environmental group showed that nearly one-third of San Francisco’s electric charging stations were non-functioning. The population of San Francisco represents roughly two percent of California.

4. Supporters of the California law admit there will be a 40% increase in demand for electricity, adding further strain to the grid and requiring increased costs for power and infrastructure.

5. According to one researcher, the strain of adding an EV is similar to adding “1 or 2 air conditioners” to your home, except an EV requires power year-round.

6. Today, 20 million American families, or one in six, have fallen behind on their electric bills, the highest amount ever.

7. Utility companies will need to add $5,800 in upgrades for every new EV for the next eight years in order to compensate for the demand for power. All customers will shoulder this cost.

8. The average price for an electric vehicle is currently $66,000, up more than 13% in just the last year, costing an average of $18,000 more than the average combustible engine. Meanwhile, the median household income is $67,521. For African American families, the average is $45,870, and for Hispanic households, $55,321.

9. A 2022 study found that the majority of EV charging occurs at home, leaving those who live in multi-family dwellings (apartments) at a real disadvantage for charging.

10. The same study also noted that many drivers charge their EVs overnight when solar power is less available on the grid.


45 posted on 08/31/2022 8:47:29 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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One other significant detail is that electric vehicles rely on energy conversion. Massive loss converting fossil fuel to electricity and then stored in battery for later use. Likely around 70% of the energy is lost.


46 posted on 08/31/2022 10:12:19 AM PDT by consult
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I expect to see California highways and streets to begin looking like Cuba with patched up decades old ICE vehicles kept running by people who can neither afford an EV or the cost to recharge them. As gasoline prices keep rising I could see home brew substitutes for gasoline including the wood burning vehicles like in WW-II where wood pellets were heated to produce a burnable gas fuel. Of course California politicians and Hollywood celebrities will continue to fly in private jets, be hauled around in gas guzzling limos, have heated swimming pools and live in air conditioned comfort.


48 posted on 08/31/2022 10:39:11 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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