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Russia’s Su-75 Won’t Ever Beat The F-35 (And May Never Fly)
19FortyFive ^ | 8/30/2022 | Peter Suciu

Posted on 08/30/2022 10:40:50 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

Will the Su-75 “Checkmate” Reach Serial Production? – Earlier this month, it was reported that Russia’s highly-touted Su-75 “Checkmate” won’t make its maiden flight until at least some time in 2024 at the very earliest. However, the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) – a division of the state-owned military-tech conglomerate Rostec – also announced that it would build four prototypes of the lightweight single-engine fighter in the coming months, with a goal to launch Checkmate serial production just three years later.

“We use advanced super-computer technologies in the Checkmate project, which enables us to cut substantially the timeframe of building the prototype and begin the flight tests already in 2024. Now preparations have been launched for the production of two prototypes. In all, we plan to build four prototypes,” UAC CEO Yury Slyusar told Tass earlier this month during the Army 2022 international military-technical forum, Russia’s largest military trade show.

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Russia wants to build a new stealth fighter. Laugh with me, please.
1 posted on 08/30/2022 10:40:50 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
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To: whyilovetexas111

They already have an SU-57 Felon operational. And a couple of more being built. Don’t put it past them to produce a copy of the Checkmate as well. Series production, not so much, if the Felon is any indication.


2 posted on 08/30/2022 10:45:16 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: whyilovetexas111
There are a lot of very intelligent Russians. Some of the liberal ones are leaving, but I imagine there are still a large number of intelligent Russians who are willing to work for their country's defense industry.

And even if they don't have the capability of fabricating chips with the current world record line widths, I'm sure they can develop and fabricate computer chips that are acceptable for putting together the electronics for a fighter jet.

Being part of the BRICs, they can get all the raw materials they need for building airframes, etc.

And their spy network is still operational and capable of getting designs from the US, UK, and China if/when necessary.

3 posted on 08/30/2022 10:48:14 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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And even if they don't have the capability of fabricating chips with the current world record line widths, I'm sure they can develop and fabricate computer chips that are acceptable for putting together the electronics for a fighter jet.

the most advanced chips are for consumer devices, advanced graphics, etc... A lot of US military hardware has specs for chips from the 1990s and earlier.

4 posted on 08/30/2022 10:54:13 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Well, they may be able to produce working aircraft, but the problem for Russia is that their economy cannot support producing mass quantities of these kinds of high tech weapons, unless they are producing them for export.

China has the opposite problem, in that they can afford to mass produce weapons, but they don’t quite have the engineering and design capabilities of the Russians to create innovative weapons.


5 posted on 08/30/2022 11:04:59 AM PDT by Boogieman
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“I’m sure they can develop and fabricate computer chips that are acceptable for putting together the electronics for a fighter jet”

Well, history would say that speculation is probably far too optimistic. Russia can’t even retrofit their existing air force with modern targeting and radar systems, so why should we assume they would be able to do it for a brand new aircraft that will need even more advanced systems?


6 posted on 08/30/2022 11:08:11 AM PDT by Boogieman
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“A lot of US military hardware has specs for chips from the 1990s and earlier.”

Yet the Russians were still relying on Western-made chips for their cruise missile targeting systems and the like. If they can’t even reproduce tech we were using 30 years ago, I don’t think it’s likely they will catch up to us anytime soon, at least as far as high tech weapons are concerned.


7 posted on 08/30/2022 11:11:24 AM PDT by Boogieman
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Yet the Russians were still relying on Western-made chips for their cruise missile targeting systems and the like.

Yes, because Russian missile guidance technology is all open source, publicly available, and easily analyzed by anyone on Free Republic, or MSNBC.

8 posted on 08/30/2022 11:14:42 AM PDT by PGR88
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Yes, because Russian missile guidance technology is all open source, publicly available, and easily analyzed by anyone on Free Republic, or MSNBC.

'Silicon Lifeline: Western Electronics at the Heart of Russia's War Machine'

Of the 450 components found by RUSI in Russian military systems, 318 appear to have been made by US companies. Components from Japan, Taiwan, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Germany, China, South Korea, the UK, Austria and others were also present in the equipment examined by the research team.

Products bearing the logo of Dallas-based microelectronics producer Texas Instruments were the most numerous among the US-made components reviewed by RUSI. In total, 51 unique Texas Instruments components appeared in the Russian military systems and equipment examined by the research team

Components apparently produced by Texas Instruments were discovered in the KUB-BLA ‘kamikaze’ UAV, an E95M target drone, an Orlan-10 UAV, and a number of radio sets used by the Russian Army. And they were found in the 9M727 Iskander as well.

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/special-resources/silicon-lifeline-western-electronics-heart-russias-war-machine

9 posted on 08/30/2022 11:27:37 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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From the report:

The onboard computer system inside the cruise missile’s black metal box shows that Russia doesn’t just rely on state-of-the-art technology for its precision weaponry. For example, stamps on two of the Texas Instruments chips – which process digital signals – showed they were manufactured more than 30 years ago.

“For the most part, it’s the same chips that you find in your car or your microwave,” said a Ukrainian weapons expert with access to recovered Russian military gear.

Gehan Amaratunga, a professor of electrical engineering at the University of Cambridge, reviewed a list of more than 600 Western components compiled by RUSI and Reuters that were found in Russian weapons and military systems recovered in Ukraine. “They are mostly standard products which are dated and can be found in many industrial electronic systems,” he said. “As such, they are not specialist military specification products.”

Still, he added, “it is the reality that all standard integrated circuits can be used for both civilian and military purposes.”

10 posted on 08/30/2022 11:49:29 AM PDT by PGR88
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Still, he added, “it is the reality that all standard integrated circuits can be used for both civilian and military purposes.”

None of which are produced in Russia, which shows a weakness that can be exploited.

11 posted on 08/30/2022 11:58:49 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: whyilovetexas111

Russia wants to build a new stealth fighter. Laugh with me, please.
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As Russia is proving “war” is now waged in a much different manor. Russia has dethroned the USD, brought the EU to its knees and is crippling the West, not on the battlefield, but on the economic markets.

Citizens facing food shortages, unbelievable inflation, energy shortages,…always end up in government downfalls. Ironic, Vlad is taking down the West by the same means the West THOUGHT it could take down Russia.

Meanwhile, Vlad now controls 30 percent of Ukraine, and moves forward everyday ( getting richer), while the EU is being crippled… all with older equipment. The West can do nothing about it, except shutdown their economies and freeze…

Russia is need of nothing, food, water, gas, diesel, NG, commodities, metals…everything the West needs.


12 posted on 08/30/2022 12:14:45 PM PDT by delta7
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To: 17th Miss Regt

The F 35 is already doing a great job beating the F 35. It don’t need no Russians to crash.


13 posted on 08/30/2022 12:15:11 PM PDT by Gottfried
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To: tlozo
None of which are produced in Russia, which shows a weakness that can be exploited.

Maybe, but don't count on it.

Its all about the engineering and systems integration. Everyone can buy cheap electronic circuits, but how many countries make cruise missiles, and have their own satellites and radars to make them effective? The photo was a 1988 Texas Instrument DSP. China and a lot of countries can make low-level DSPs and integrated circuits. Russia may not have a world-class chip-making industry comparable to USA or Korea, but does it matter?

14 posted on 08/30/2022 12:16:11 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Boogieman

China will sell them all the chips they can buy. DC pushed Moscow and Peking into an alliance.


15 posted on 08/30/2022 12:44:41 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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“China will sell them all the chips they can buy.”

Wrong chips, or the Russians would have already bought them from China.


16 posted on 08/30/2022 1:19:29 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: whyilovetexas111

Speculation best served hot to fools and idiot armchair generals. Bet.


17 posted on 08/30/2022 2:53:22 PM PDT by cranked
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To: 17th Miss Regt

How long did it take for F-35 to become operational?


18 posted on 08/30/2022 3:30:42 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: PGR88

Russia has 23 chip makers and makes more advanced chips than 97% of other countries, including G7 members.
The fact that someone managed to find basic foreign chips in their systems is rather laughable.
I would like to see what the US MIC is going to do once Taiwan is over.


19 posted on 08/30/2022 3:35:41 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Boogieman

A lot of this difficulty of “keeping up” has to do with population. Russia has maybe 1/10th of China’s population, and maybe 1/3 of our own.


20 posted on 08/30/2022 5:11:30 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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