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To: SeekAndFind
Russia will lose but it could take another year.

The only way Russia can win is if the west loses it's resolve and agrees to Russia's demands to negotiate a cease fire and lock in their territorial gains. I don't see that happening.

16 HIMARS is not a lot considering the length of the front. But it is allowing Ukraine to destroy Russia's command and ammo centers. And it's a start. I think we should ramp it to 100 HIMARS. I think I've heard the plan is 30 in the short term.

Dispite having gained control of 20% of Ukraine's territory, (Not sure if that counts Crimea or not), Several things are working against the Russians at this point:

Russia still has a couple of advantages:

My outlook:

Disclaimer: DannyTN has never served in the armed forces. Nor traveled beyond the USA's borders. But he plays an armchair General on FR.

61 posted on 08/17/2022 9:21:40 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
The only way Russia can win is if the west loses it's resolve and agrees to Russia's demands to negotiate a cease fire and lock in their territorial gains. I don't see that happening.

Russia will never give up Crimea, which it annexed in 2014 after the US/EU engineered coup of the duly elected government of Ukraine. It also spawned the separatist movement in the Donbas.

63 posted on 08/17/2022 9:26:26 AM PDT by kabar
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He! I like the disclaimer!

On your bullets:

1. I wouldn’t say Ukraine has most of the support of the world. Most of the world knew very little about Ukraine before the invasion - I suspect they’d have ignored it, like Chechnya and Georgia. Ukraine is only different because Russia ITSELF can’t stop talking about the mission creep... one minute the war is about dealing with 5000 nazis in Donbas, the next it’s about beach front property all the way to Moldova, and then it’s simply step one of their Second Great Patriotic War mission to grab Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Moldova.

2. Another thing that Russia has to worry about is, which side will the DISPLACED “ethic Russian” peoples not actually from Russia choose to fight on if they are given no other choice but to fight.

There’s a refugee family in my town, from Kherson, whose apartment block was completely taken over by out-of-towners. They’ve been completely disowned by their relatives in Russia. They had everything in Kherson stolen from them by the Russians. Even if they went back, they wouldn’t get a vote in the Russian referendum, and it’s highly unlikely they’d enjoy life under the administration that has been brutalizing friends of theirs who didn’t get out in time.

They have been stung by family inside Russia who’re openly denouncing them as traitors to Mother Russia simply for choosing to flee west instead of east. It’s in stark contrast to the sympathy and hospitality they’re getting even from the Ukrainian speaking community here.

Guess whose side they’re on now. Clue: it’s not Putin’s side anymore. They’ve been fundraising to buy more Bayraktars.

Putin can’t really complain. He knows there’s no motive more powerful than revanchism. And BOY has he inspired revanchism in the Russian Ukrainian community... to switch sides, and support Zelenskyy.


87 posted on 08/17/2022 10:31:52 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: DannyTN

Thank you for the summary of Neocon/lib, Nato, WEF, CIA/MI6 disinformation. FWIW, I believe you are sincere, unlike the trolls here. I wonder if you will be able to eventually accept you have been misled. To take the most easily “debunkable” item on your list: “Ukraine has the support of most of the world.” How many African countries have declared support for Ukraine and sanctions? South American countries? China? Middle East? South Asia? You will find some supporting the RF, most remaining officially neutral, and only a very few offering lipservice.

The whole Kherson thing you repeat is terribly far from the truth, too. It’s a fantasy from A Daily Mail article that was probably “informed by” MI6. To understand why the claims are silly, you’d have to know what HIMARS can and can’t do (roadbed potholes, yes, structural damage, no), how many HIMARS systems are likely still left and how many missiles remain, how good the S300 and S400 anti missile systems are, how many pontoon bridges the Russians have as a back up, etc. Use Google earth and look at the terrain approaching Kherson region from the west; it’s a steppe. An advance there would be worse than the charge of the Light Brigade. If you were following more closely, you’d know that the Kiev government has as much as said that the claim about the upcoming Kherson offensive was a feint to draw Russian forces from the Donbass.

Do you have any idea how important Bakhmut is? It’s in the process of being taken methodically street by street, block by block. That’s also the general situation in rest of the contested area of the Donbass.

There’s a lot more, but just wait and see, and try to be skeptical of the Western “narrative”. Remember the Covid hoax? The Russian collusion hoax, etc.?

Like it or not, the Russians will probably end up dictating terms.


97 posted on 08/17/2022 1:49:25 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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