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Will Russia Lose the War in Ukraine?
Quora: Truth About Russia ^ | 08/08/2022 | Quintin Van Zyl

Posted on 08/17/2022 7:40:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 08/17/2022 7:40:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This week Ukraine and U.S. already telling Putin to enjoy a winter war.


2 posted on 08/17/2022 7:43:22 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: SeekAndFind

are any wars actually “won”?

lost lives, rebuilding costs, partisans... damaged prestige.


3 posted on 08/17/2022 7:43:36 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: SeekAndFind

Is this a Psychologist predicting a military outcome?


4 posted on 08/17/2022 7:44:34 AM PDT by EEGator
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From what I have seen, Russia will prevail.


5 posted on 08/17/2022 7:44:50 AM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: teeman8r
are any wars actually “won”?

The U.S. War for Independence . . . net gain.
Spanish-American War (though we shouldn't have started that in the first place).
6 posted on 08/17/2022 7:47:29 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (What was 35% of the Rep. Party is now 85%. And it’s too late to turn back—Mac Stipanovich )
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To: teeman8r

Yes.


7 posted on 08/17/2022 7:48:50 AM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: SeekAndFind

NATO has its sugar daddy, Russia and its “sanctioned” oil will soon have its. We need to take into account Putin’s little friend in these speculations.

BEIJING, August 17. /TASS/. China’s People’s Liberation Army will participate in the strategic command and staff exercise Vostok-2022 in Russia on August 30 - September 5, the Chinese Defense Ministry said in a statement on Wednesday.

“In accordance with the annual plan for cooperation between the armed forces of the two countries and the bilateral agreements the PLA will soon delegate and send part of its forces to Russia for participation in the Vostok-2022 exercise,” the statement reads. The exercise will contribute to “friendly cooperation among the armed forces of all countries, as well as to increasing the level of strategic interaction by all parties and strengthen the ability to respond to various security threats.”


8 posted on 08/17/2022 7:49:19 AM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: SeekAndFind

Another propaganda piece from an DC armchair general, which spins things entirely from a MSM, western perspective

What did William Burns - present Director of the CIA, say about this?

Back in 2008, when George W. Bush fatefully strong-armed European members of NATO into promising future membership for Ukraine and Georgia, Burns was warning that the consequences would be dire—but NOT because “Putin’s psychology.”

In a memo to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Burns wrote, “Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests. It is hard to overstate the strategic consequences” of offering Ukraine NATO membership, which, he predicted, would “create fertile soil for Russian meddling in Crimea and eastern Ukraine.”


9 posted on 08/17/2022 7:50:03 AM PDT by PGR88
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Even the ‘experts’ don’t know. Russia can only win by raising the ante and being even more brutal. The neighboring countries know their history, especially Ukraine. They just won’t go along.

We can only hope for an internal rebellion within Russia. People’s sons are dying in an alarming number. Think of Dr. Zhivago when the retreating army met up with the ‘replacements’.


10 posted on 08/17/2022 7:51:11 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: SeekAndFind

Inevitable?

No. However, what is ‘inevitable’ is 1) the continued US/EU/Western propaganda spread by shills concerning Ukraine and 2) the day of reckoning for those shills.

From someone with far more credibility than Van ZylIdiot:

“After 8 years of arming and training Ukraine’s army and air force, spending billions of tax payer dollars, the United States no longer has a viable strategy to defeat the Russian forces and compel Vladimir Putin to accept a humiliating defeat. Yes, the U.S. and NATO are pouring a large amount of HIMARS, Army Tactical Missile Systems (aks ATACMS), tanks, vehicles and aircraft into the fight, but this is only prolonging the inevitable surrender of Ukraine. Worse, it is poisoning any chance of restoring normal relations with Russia.”
https://sonar21.com/is-the-united-states-facilitating-the-death-of-ukraine/


11 posted on 08/17/2022 7:52:57 AM PDT by cranked
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Did the Soviets lose their quagmire in Afghanistan? This is another quagmire. We’ve had a one or two ourselves.

We have a way of exiting in a quagmire and then rebuilding the nation with tax dollars. The Soviets just walk away and provide the weapons for the continued struggle. Which... what a vicious cycle.


12 posted on 08/17/2022 7:54:33 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t see the Russians ceding back any of the territory they control even if the war stopped right now.
I think it may not be a freezing and dark winter for Western Europe - but it will be cold and dim - and expensive.
I think the Russians can keep this up for a long time.


13 posted on 08/17/2022 7:55:31 AM PDT by Palio di Siena
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"nobody knows what Putin wants"

That is because the globalist propaganda machine has silenced Russia, even cut them off from the internet in order to control the narrative

Russia repeated over and over the stated goals but was contradicted by the MSM narrative. the stated goal was to restore the water supply to Crimea and stop the nazi thugs from harrassing Donbass, it was an extension of the 2014 conflict

I happen to believe the globalists want to kill Russia just like they did Libya and Iraq because of gas and oil.

Russia is blamed for starting the war but Zolenski EU and NATO is to blame for causing it. The US is to blame for stirring the pot and throwing in the last straw, when Kamala said Ukraine should join NATO

But its all Putin's fault

14 posted on 08/17/2022 7:55:39 AM PDT by KTM rider (, or how Ambassador Stevens was killed because he was about to testify before the UN council )
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To: SeekAndFind

They’ve already lost. They may “win” but it was far more costly an operation than they had ever thought possible.


15 posted on 08/17/2022 7:55:53 AM PDT by TarasBulbous
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RE: From what I have seen, Russia will prevail.

What have you seen? Please tell us.


16 posted on 08/17/2022 7:57:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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You might want to cancel your winter vacation to Germany this year.

Reports have it likely they won’t be getting any Russian gas. Supposedly some cities/towns are already planning/setting up “heating stations” where by freezing people can go sit in a warm spot for a few hours.

So on this question, right now Russia has the advantage of natural resources, population and industry, especially if China starts supplying them with weapons.


17 posted on 08/17/2022 7:58:20 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe Russia by itself, but Russia with China is an unknown.


18 posted on 08/17/2022 7:58:58 AM PDT by viewfromthefrontier
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no untainted reporting.

If the one side had any validity, Russia would be finished as a military power and Putin would be dead months ago at the hands of their own power brokers.

If the other were true, Putin would’ve long since released the sponsored biolabs’ data, the eastern half of the country would’ve joined Russia proper, and Z would’ve fled for parts unknown, leaving a few old women to defend Kyiv.

Instead the blood, expenditure, and suffering continues — so the question is not who’s winning, but whose interests it serves for it not to be over.


19 posted on 08/17/2022 7:59:14 AM PDT by No.6
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RE: You might want to cancel your winter vacation to Germany this year.

Other than the Southern part of Europe, I don’t usually want to go to that continent during the winter. There’s Australia, New Zealand, Southwast Asia and the Carribeans during our winteer time.


20 posted on 08/17/2022 8:00:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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