Posted on 08/17/2022 7:40:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
This week Ukraine and U.S. already telling Putin to enjoy a winter war.
are any wars actually “won”?
lost lives, rebuilding costs, partisans... damaged prestige.
Is this a Psychologist predicting a military outcome?
From what I have seen, Russia will prevail.
Yes.
NATO has its sugar daddy, Russia and its “sanctioned” oil will soon have its. We need to take into account Putin’s little friend in these speculations.
BEIJING, August 17. /TASS/. China’s People’s Liberation Army will participate in the strategic command and staff exercise Vostok-2022 in Russia on August 30 - September 5, the Chinese Defense Ministry said in a statement on Wednesday.
“In accordance with the annual plan for cooperation between the armed forces of the two countries and the bilateral agreements the PLA will soon delegate and send part of its forces to Russia for participation in the Vostok-2022 exercise,” the statement reads. The exercise will contribute to “friendly cooperation among the armed forces of all countries, as well as to increasing the level of strategic interaction by all parties and strengthen the ability to respond to various security threats.”
Another propaganda piece from an DC armchair general, which spins things entirely from a MSM, western perspective
What did William Burns - present Director of the CIA, say about this?
Back in 2008, when George W. Bush fatefully strong-armed European members of NATO into promising future membership for Ukraine and Georgia, Burns was warning that the consequences would be dire—but NOT because “Putin’s psychology.”
In a memo to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Burns wrote, “Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests. It is hard to overstate the strategic consequences” of offering Ukraine NATO membership, which, he predicted, would “create fertile soil for Russian meddling in Crimea and eastern Ukraine.”
Even the ‘experts’ don’t know. Russia can only win by raising the ante and being even more brutal. The neighboring countries know their history, especially Ukraine. They just won’t go along.
We can only hope for an internal rebellion within Russia. People’s sons are dying in an alarming number. Think of Dr. Zhivago when the retreating army met up with the ‘replacements’.
Inevitable?
No. However, what is ‘inevitable’ is 1) the continued US/EU/Western propaganda spread by shills concerning Ukraine and 2) the day of reckoning for those shills.
From someone with far more credibility than Van ZylIdiot:
“After 8 years of arming and training Ukraine’s army and air force, spending billions of tax payer dollars, the United States no longer has a viable strategy to defeat the Russian forces and compel Vladimir Putin to accept a humiliating defeat. Yes, the U.S. and NATO are pouring a large amount of HIMARS, Army Tactical Missile Systems (aks ATACMS), tanks, vehicles and aircraft into the fight, but this is only prolonging the inevitable surrender of Ukraine. Worse, it is poisoning any chance of restoring normal relations with Russia.”
https://sonar21.com/is-the-united-states-facilitating-the-death-of-ukraine/
Did the Soviets lose their quagmire in Afghanistan? This is another quagmire. We’ve had a one or two ourselves.
We have a way of exiting in a quagmire and then rebuilding the nation with tax dollars. The Soviets just walk away and provide the weapons for the continued struggle. Which... what a vicious cycle.
I don’t see the Russians ceding back any of the territory they control even if the war stopped right now.
I think it may not be a freezing and dark winter for Western Europe - but it will be cold and dim - and expensive.
I think the Russians can keep this up for a long time.
That is because the globalist propaganda machine has silenced Russia, even cut them off from the internet in order to control the narrative
Russia repeated over and over the stated goals but was contradicted by the MSM narrative. the stated goal was to restore the water supply to Crimea and stop the nazi thugs from harrassing Donbass, it was an extension of the 2014 conflict
I happen to believe the globalists want to kill Russia just like they did Libya and Iraq because of gas and oil.
Russia is blamed for starting the war but Zolenski EU and NATO is to blame for causing it. The US is to blame for stirring the pot and throwing in the last straw, when Kamala said Ukraine should join NATO
But its all Putin's fault
They’ve already lost. They may “win” but it was far more costly an operation than they had ever thought possible.
RE: From what I have seen, Russia will prevail.
What have you seen? Please tell us.
You might want to cancel your winter vacation to Germany this year.
Reports have it likely they won’t be getting any Russian gas. Supposedly some cities/towns are already planning/setting up “heating stations” where by freezing people can go sit in a warm spot for a few hours.
So on this question, right now Russia has the advantage of natural resources, population and industry, especially if China starts supplying them with weapons.
Maybe Russia by itself, but Russia with China is an unknown.
There is no untainted reporting.
If the one side had any validity, Russia would be finished as a military power and Putin would be dead months ago at the hands of their own power brokers.
If the other were true, Putin would’ve long since released the sponsored biolabs’ data, the eastern half of the country would’ve joined Russia proper, and Z would’ve fled for parts unknown, leaving a few old women to defend Kyiv.
Instead the blood, expenditure, and suffering continues — so the question is not who’s winning, but whose interests it serves for it not to be over.
RE: You might want to cancel your winter vacation to Germany this year.
Other than the Southern part of Europe, I don’t usually want to go to that continent during the winter. There’s Australia, New Zealand, Southwast Asia and the Carribeans during our winteer time.
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