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Ashli Babbitt Was Murdered Under the Color of Authority on January 6: Use-of-Force Expert
The Epoch Times ^ | July 25, 2022 | By Joseph M. Hanneman

Posted on 07/25/2022 1:16:18 PM PDT by Red Badger

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To: lizma2

A big strong professional law enforcement officer like Mr Byrd could’ve pulled all 102 lbs of her through the window and put cuffs on her. There was no way in hell lethal force at such close range was required.


21 posted on 07/25/2022 1:59:48 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: lizma2

Yeah a warning against what though? She was stuck in a window and wasn’t doing anything that needed a warning shot. No reason to fire any weapons at all. She was easily vulnerable to be taken into custody, but the cops around there were essentially letting the crowd be there.


22 posted on 07/25/2022 2:02:16 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Red Badger

Looking at the video of the shot I would surmise that it was a thought out action. I suspect the shooter had instructions to “shoot somebody,” because some capital violence was needed for the narrative.


23 posted on 07/25/2022 2:08:29 PM PDT by arthurus ( covfefe <iG>)
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To: Red Badger

24 posted on 07/25/2022 2:09:41 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Singermom

Its also a 42 USC 1983 offense - violation of civil rights under the color of law/authority.

There was zero justification for the use of deadly force. There was no deadly or substantial threat, and Byrd admits he was confused, couldn’t see, and didn’t even know who or what he was shooting at. At an absolute MINIMUM it was GROSS NEGLIGENCE, but since the photo evidence shows he had an itchy trigger finger, he was intending on shooting someone, anyone. He was terrified. He is not, and was not, good LEO material


25 posted on 07/25/2022 2:12:08 PM PDT by jpp113
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To: semimojo

The shooter did not look to be protecting anyone from anything. At best he was “protecting” someone who might have been further inside the building and who might possibly have been in danger of being spoken to offensively.


26 posted on 07/25/2022 2:14:51 PM PDT by arthurus ( covfefe <iG>)
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To: semimojo
“In order for lethal force to be authorized, the officer has to be able to articulate that he or she was in fear of losing his life, was about to be killed, or grievously injured,”

This guy's an idiot. Someone tasked with protecting an official looks at potential harm to the person he's protecting, not himself.

The guy only applies the standard to Bryd's life because, there was nobody else near Bryd! The hallway that Bryd was defending, was empty. Nobody else was about to be killed or injured.

No, the guy is not an idiot.

27 posted on 07/25/2022 2:19:45 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: semimojo
Someone tasked with protecting an official looks at potential harm to the person he's protecting, not himself.

There was no one with him to be under his protection at the time.

You have brought nothing to this conversation.

28 posted on 07/25/2022 2:21:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (The Democrat Party is criminal, unAmerican and illegitimate )
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To: FreeReign
The guy only applies the standard to Bryd's life because, there was nobody else near Bryd! The hallway that Bryd was defending, was empty.

He was the last line of defense.

29 posted on 07/25/2022 2:21:46 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: 1Old Pro

We have to have a legitmate investigation by a Commission. First witness - Nancy Pelosi.


30 posted on 07/25/2022 2:23:48 PM PDT by silent majority rising ( )
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To: Fiji Hill

Amen brother ! My thoughts exactly . I will donate the wood for the gallows .


31 posted on 07/25/2022 2:38:13 PM PDT by David Moser
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To: semimojo
Someone tasked with protecting an official looks at potential harm to the person he's protecting, not himself.

I suspect that the expert is a little more of an expert than you are. At the moment of the shooting there is no one but police officers and protestors at the scene. Two other heavily armed officers standing with the crowd are not concerned enough to even raise their weapons, or push the crowd back.

There is no evidence that there was anyone, let alone an "official" at risk of immediate harm. The use of deadly force, even by a security guard protecting an "official" is only justified in the event of imminent danger to the person they are protecting.

If, as you suggest, the test was potential harm, then people tasked with protecting "officials" would have to be out daily shooting somebody who made a threat, or seemed like a danger, or who might decide to do something in the future. That's not the test under the law.

32 posted on 07/25/2022 2:42:43 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Red Badger

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33 posted on 07/25/2022 2:47:20 PM PDT by Chgogal (No Green Policies until the Democrats hold China to the same standards.)
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To: semimojo
He was the last line of defense.

There was no immediate threat to anybody. The hallway was empty. We don't even know if there was anybody remaining in the offices. And even if there was, if there was another way out.

Add to all of that Babbit was unarmed and she wasn't a physical threat to anybody.

34 posted on 07/25/2022 2:48:51 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Red Badger

It was an assassination, pre-planned, no warning, intentional, and filmed by a CNN Antifa stringer.


35 posted on 07/25/2022 2:52:07 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: Red Badger

Something most of us have known since January 7th.


36 posted on 07/25/2022 2:52:39 PM PDT by sjmjax
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To: Red Badger

Byrd should be in jail but there is one final judgement he can’t escape.


37 posted on 07/25/2022 2:54:41 PM PDT by Dave911
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Yes. In order for their plan to succeed, someone had to die.


38 posted on 07/25/2022 2:56:23 PM PDT by OKSooner ("That was then, this is now." - S.E. Hinton, Tulsa, OK)
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To: AndyTheBear

If she were St. Floyd, this guy would be toast. But not so. If you watch the tape, he actually panned about from his right to left to seek her out for the kill shot. May not stand for a first degree but second degree, absolutely.

Remember this, she was NOT armed and posed not a great threat.


39 posted on 07/25/2022 3:00:21 PM PDT by Mouton (The enemy of the people is the media )
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To: Red Badger

I guess under the same concept as what that government attorney said, those swarming over the border if told they are entering illegally and faced by armed officers who blast them out of their socks, the agents would be exonerated.


40 posted on 07/25/2022 3:03:28 PM PDT by Mouton (The enemy of the people is the media )
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