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To: Phoenix8
We were OK arming Ukraine under the table. Dirty and lying (breaking the Minsk Memorandum), but this makes invading Ukraine painful. You don't want to let it be easy for them because then they might do it if there is no/little cost...

On the other hand, us telling Ukraine “yes” to NATO membership was us poking the bear.

Ukraine is Russia's back yard, just like South America, the entire Pacific Rim and NATO nations are to us. We basically went into their back yard, took a dump, and when they said don't do that, we gave them the middle finger. What do you think happens next?

At that point, we put Russia into a position where they not only felt trampled on (ignoring their demands and lying to them repeatedly), but where they had “legitimate” security concerns. The idea of NATO/US forces in Ukraine is unacceptable to them, as it would be for us if in their shoes. Look at what we did in the Cuban Missile Crisis, Grenada and Nicaragua - Same thing. We don't tolerate another major world power playing in our back yard.

This war had nothing to do with the other crap mentioned by our MSM trying to obfuscate the issue (that's the real propaganda): https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/ (This caused the war - period)

It was our call.

The Russians knew we were arming Ukraine. They knew we had SF there training them... It was all fun and games, until we said we are bringing Ukraine into NATO. When we went there, we crossed a line which we knew carried a very high risk. It was something the Russians expressed was a concern as far back as 1994 and we agreed (back then) that we would not bring former Soviet Republics into NATO (NATO East expansion into former Soviet Republics).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A—57cFU5zM (he knew this too)

He simply gambled and lost.

The real loser here will be Ukraine.

Sadly, the man at fault (Biden) will walk away unscathed.

42 posted on 06/28/2022 7:34:19 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

I noticed the same MSM/Big Tech that defrauded Trump of his rightful victory came out beating war drums from day 1. Not even the slightest nod from them towards negotiations.

Kind of odd how some of the same cons that rightfully railed against MSM/Big Tech HIDING the Hunter Biden laptop story suddenly take everything on this conflict they say as truth.

BTW remember NY Post actually did a survey that said Twitter etc hiding the laptop story might have swung the election to Biden…actually probably swing the election. That’s even assuming there was no steal.


43 posted on 06/28/2022 7:41:54 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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