Well, that makes two of us. I am in bed by 10 P.M. every night, and up at 6:30 A.M or earlier.
You know Russia and its history; it is not in Ukraine to “provide security” to the Donbas and Crimea, the latter of which it illegally annexed back in 2014. Annexing another country’s territory is not “providing security” to it; it is conquest. If Russia was only concerned with “providing security” to Donbas, then why is Russia recognizing LPR and DNR as independent and autonomous states? Why is Russia moving west, way beyond Crimea and Donbas, and encroaching on and threatening Odessa? Why did a Russian spokesperson say that the goal is to take over the entirety of the northern Black Sea coast, thus shutting off Ukraine entirely from any deep water access? Russia is ALREADY advancing further into Ukraine. Yes, I also know that Ukraine has been a part of Russia for centuries, and that is even more true when it comes to Eastern Ukraine. Do you know that?
You can come back with the retort that Ukraine dissolved its unity with Russia 3 years after the USSR finally imploded in 1988. It was in 1991 that Ukraine finally broke away.
Ukraine has had a spotty existence of 31 years over many centuries. It wasn't until the U.S. fomented the coup in 2014 that Russia first moved in to annex the Crimea. At that same time 2, Donetsk and Luhansk, regions within Ukraine, considered the Donbas region, chose to break away from Ukraine and become autonomous. It wasn't until 2022 that Russia formerly recognized them as such. Since 2014 theere has been fighting and killing by the Nazis in the Donbas region. These are not neo-Nazis, as they claim, they have been Nazis since WWII.
This is not as simplistic as some here seem to believe, and it's much deeper than just Russia invading Ukraine. Russia got tired of not being able to use diplomatic avenues to resolve the bloodshed in the Donbas region. The same applies to Odessa also. I also do not believe that Russia has any intentions to reconstitute the USSR. They don't have the capability to do so even if they really wanted to.
They want to cutoff Ukraine from deep water access to ensure they are not a threat to them.
We have enough problems of our own to concern ourselves about Ukraine wanting to keep all of what they consider is theirs, even though it hasn't been theirs for centuries. Our southern border is like a sieve, in reality wide open, to invaders from around the globe. In addition, and we have our second usurper controlling the levers of power in this country.
We need to stop pretending we are the guardians of the world, and focus on being guardians of our nation and its health ans well being, along with her legal citizens, first and foremost right now.
Otherwise, we will find ourselves as just another aspect of the New World Order, with no freedoms whatsoever.
In other words, drop the emotions, and start really thinking of the real consequences we face. We cannot afford to prop up these obvious corrupt nations claiming to be democracies, but in reality are funneling implements for graft and corruption making evil even more powerful.
“You can come back with the retort that Ukraine dissolved its unity with Russia 3 years after the USSR finally imploded in 1988. It was in 1991 that Ukraine finally broke away.”
Why would I do that? I never even mentioned a date — any date — for Ukraine’s formal declaration of independence from the dissolved USSR. But I know it was in 1991.
“It wasn’t until the U.S. fomented the coup in 2014 that Russia first moved in to annex the Crimea.”
Coup? Yanukovich went against the Ukrainian Parliament’s pro-Europe measures and aligned himself with Russia, which was very much opposed to Parliament’s measures. That started the Euromaidan protests in late November, 2013. The protests continued and in January, 2014 they grew more intense.
Parliament began preparing articles of impeachment against Yanukovich (or whatever they are called in Ukraine, but it is the same thing). There is indeed some evidence that Victoria Nuland of the Obama/Biden administration was inserting herself into the discussions. On February 20, 2014 Putin ordered the invasion of Crimea, and began the process of clandestinely infiltrating special ops specialists into Crimea. Thus, on February 20, 2014 Russia began its annexation operation of Crimea, and on February 22 and 23, 2014 Russian troops and special forces began moving into Crimea through Novorossiysk.
On the late evening of February 21 or the early morning of February 22, 2014 Yanukovich left Kiev with Russian Spetsnaz assistance and went to Kharkiv in northeast Ukraine. On February 22, 2014 Parliament voted to remove Yanukovich and set new elections for several weeks in the future. Putin met with his cabinet to coordinate bringing
Yanukovich to Moscow (he got there on or about February 28, 2014), and to begin “returning” Crimea to Russia.
On February 27, 2014 Russian special ops troops took control of Crimean government buildings and the Russian occupation of Crimea began in earnest, and on March 18, 2014 Russia illegally annexed Crimea.
In March, 2014 Russia began to amass troops on its border with Ukraine at or near Rostov, and also near Belgorod, just north of the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv. Some of these troops would move into Ukraine to support the separatists.
And the war was on (and this was in 2014).
So, this latest Russian invasion is just the segue to the first invasion.
“In other words, drop the emotions, and start really thinking of the real consequences we face.”
You must be directing that comment to someone else, because I don’t let emotion factor in to any of this. I read and look to history, and that tells a lot. Russia has always been insecure and paranoid, and a bully. That’s just fact.
“We cannot afford to prop up these obvious corrupt nations claiming to be democracies, but in reality are funneling implements for graft and corruption making evil even more powerful.”
Welcome to the real world. If there is a country on this planet that is not corrupt to some degree then I want to know who it is. So, you can’t let the presence of corruption influence your judgment as to what is best for the interests and security of the United States, because it will drive you to strong drink.
Every few generations there is an alarm of a New World Order, to be run by this cabal or junta or that group or consortium. Such alarms are as old as nation states and governments. And they are the grist of late night radio talk shows that also dwell on space aliens and Bigfoot. All the while, we have real threats and real issues to deal with that more directly affect us.