Posted on 04/25/2022 5:34:42 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
Everyone wishes to argue "Article 5" of the NATO treaty, which is the mutual-defense pact. You get attacked and we all get attacked.
Ok.
What does Article I say?
The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.
Shipping arms into an area where armed conflict is either occurring or threatening to occur, where the destination is NOT a NATO member and thus is NOT subject to NATO's mutual defense obligations is a clear violation of Article I. It is escalatory, it is a threat to use force or enables the actual use of force, and thus is a clear violation of Article I.
How about Article 8?
Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.
Providing arms to a belligerent not a member of NATO violates this provision in that it can cause a mutual defense obligation to arise that would otherwise not. Therefore NATO members are obligated to stay out of non-member conflicts except with the unanimous consent of all members.
Intervening in a non-member's conflict, in short, by other than unanimous consent is a violation of the treaty.
How about Article 11?
This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of the United States of America, which will notify all the other signatories of each deposit. The Treaty shall enter into force between the States which have ratified it as soon as the ratifications of the majority of the signatories, including the ratifications of Belgium, Canada, France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the United States, have been deposited and shall come into effect with respect to other States on the date of the deposit of their ratifications. (3)
For the United States to engage in the elements of a proxy war, which it did at Maidan and now through the provision of arms without a declaration of said war by Congress is a direct violation of the US Constitution and thus a violation of the treaty.
Fraud vitiates all agreements.
Therefore no nation is obligated under any other provision of the NATO Treaty and each and every nation at this time that has in any way violated the above provisions, which includes the United States, is not entitled under its provisions to anything, including mutual defense under Article 5.
Agreements stand and fall on the integrity of the parties so-involved, and when repeated, blatant and outrageous violations of same, with intent and to disadvantage others take place that has a name in both law and common practice.
FRAUD.
Fraud vitiates all agreements, whether in handshake, contract, treaty or otherwise.
Go ahead and try to change my mind.
*Trump was right about NATO . It should be disbanded pronto.*
Hawaii: give it back to the locals. The power that is. Get rid of statehood.
American Samoa. Give it to Samoa/Tonga.
Falklands. Lease it to the US for 99 years. Then give it to Argentina.
Northern Ireland-back to the Irish.
But the war in Ukraine is also a consequence of such corrupt incompetents gaining power.
There's no law against having both your domestic porch and foreign policy porch on fire at the same time. As a matter of fact, the latter is more likely when the former occurs.
Do we really want to get involved in a fight against Russia? Then put it before Congress.
Let the representatives of the people and the states declare war.
Like we're supposed to do.
I've noticed that you share your neocon gas quite freely here on FR...
And you should appreciate it. Breath deep my friend!
NATO’s purpose ended decades ago with the fall of the Soviet Union. But then it became one of those “too big to fail” things. Cash cow for defense contractors. Politicians won’t upset their defense “donors”, will they? Also helped fund defense for rich European countries. Not having to pay for their own defense, European countries can have generous social programs, free healthcare, free college, 6-8 weeks yearly vacations, 1 year maternity leave, freebies for refugees, etc all because they don’t have to spend on defense. Uncle Sam (US taxpayer) will take care of it. Europe loves NATO.
Very smart man, and you can glean a LOT of good information from him.
He's horribly bad at politics.
It's the losertarian thing, I think - and your description is apt: "He is all over the place in his positions and beliefs, and embraces ideas one minute that he will condemn a minute later. He doesn’t believe in anything. He is what someone had once described as a reckless iconoclast; someone who tears things down just to do it, without conscious thought or care about consequences."
His worst habit to blame Americans [including the people who follow him] for not rising up to tar and feather the criminals running our country.
Sorry, Karl - you first.
On the other hand, I learned much about economics, keto, the quaxxcines and other things on his Market Ticker over the years [still visit several times a week].
I just shake my head when he starts talking about Trump, though. It's the politics thing that he's bad at, again.
He never understood that Trump is Toto in The Wizard of Oz - drawing back the curtain for all of us to see The Wizard.
Welcome to the new FR. Anti NATO, Anti Trump and Anti American.
Donald Trump supports MORE aid to Ukraine, and obviously supported NATO as president. He bombed Russian airfields in Syria, and told NATO not to rely on Russian gas.
We'd get rid of two CommieCrat US senators instantly.
One of them has brain damage.
Wack jobs circling a ridiculous article saying NATO is legally invalid;
Like moths circling a flame of extremism.
And then start all the sick Anti Americanism, about how everything America ever did was as bad as Russia, and you really don’t have to support America to be a patriot.
Agreed
Communism is on the march
Europe can do what they like with NATO if we aren’t involved or footing everyone’s bill why should I care - we’ll finally be free of the albatross 🤪
Yeah! And while at it, restore PA, NY, NJ, MA, RI, VA, NC, SC, CN, MD, DE, NH, and GA to Her Majesty, after they were illegally and treasonously stolen from her government.
I do not support putins militarism and interventionism.
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...but you support ours?
CN = CT
“There is no hypocrite like a neocon globalist hypocrite... “
And they are the only ones who cannot see it.
“So obviously sometimes escalation can be in accordance with the UN charter.”
The UN did not and will not authorize sending arms to Ukraine. Or any other escalation.
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