Posted on 03/09/2022 10:51:01 AM PST by C19fan
We, the undersigned, urge the Biden administration, together with NATO allies, to impose a limited No-Fly Zone over Ukraine starting with protection for humanitarian corridors that were agreed upon in talks between Russian and Ukrainian officials on Thursday. NATO leaders should convey to Russian officials that they do not seek direct confrontation with Russian forces, but they must also make clear that they will not countenance Russian attacks on civilian areas. Vladimir Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine has caused massive devastation and loss of life for Ukrainians. His premeditated, unprovoked and unjustified war of aggression has created the greatest crisis on the European continent since the end of World War II. Despite the truly heroic efforts by Ukrainian soldiers and average citizens to resist the marauding Russian forces, Putin’s military is poised for further attacks on major cities, including the capital Kyiv. Targeting residential buildings, hospitals and government complexes, as well as nuclear power plants, Russian forces will be responsible for an even higher death toll.
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They should call it, “Open letter to start WWIII.”
H**L NO.
“limited No-Fly Zone” just seems like getting “partially pregnant”.
Would now be a good time to FILL MY BATHTUB WITH WATER??
Due to fuel costs the no-fly zone will be extremely limited and flown by three Piper Cubs used to fly pipeline patrol on the Nordstream Pipeline. The pilots names are Stash, Alexi, and Uri. They are three wild and crazy guys.
We could send a bunch of Freepers to enforce it. There are plenty who keep demanding we fight, but strangely remain glued to their keyboards.
I believe that this whole thing is being manipulated by the DemocRATs to get us into a shooting war with Russia so that they drum up patriotism just before the midterms and hope that they keep their power.
Wag The Dog on steroids.
Who is we?
(Note: Affiliations are for identification purposes only; individuals are signing in their personal capacity.) 1. Anders Aslund, Senior Fellow, Stockholm Free World Forum 2. Stephen Blank, Senior Fellow/Foreign Policy Research Institute 3. Gen. (Ret.) Philip Breedlove, Former Supreme Allied Commander Europe 4. Paula Dobriansky, Former Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs 5. Eric S. Edelman, Former Under Secretary of Defense 6. Evelyn Farkas, Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine, Eurasia 7. Daniel Fried, Former Assistant Secretary of State and U.S. Ambassador to Poland 8. Andrew J. Futey, President, Ukrainian Congress Committee of America 9. Melinda Haring, Deputy Director, Atlantic Council Eurasia Center 10. John Herbst, Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine 11. LtG (Ret.) Ben Hodges, Former Commanding General, United States Army Europe 12. Glen Howard, President, Jamestown Foundation 13. Donald Jensen, Johns Hopkins University 14. Ian Kelly, Former U.S. Ambassador to Georgia and OSCE 15. John Kornblum, Former Assistant Secretary of State and U.S. Ambassador to Germany 16. Shelby Magid, Associate Director, Atlantic Council Eurasia Center 17. Robert McConnell, Co-Founder, U.S.-Ukraine Foundation 18. Claire Sechler Merkel, Senior Director, McCain Institute for International Leadership 19. David A. Merkel, Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and Director, National Security Council 20.Barry Pavel, Senior Vice President and Director, Atlantic Council Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security 21. Herman Pirchner, President, American Foreign Policy Council 22.Michael Sawkiw, Jr., Director, Ukrainian National Information Service 23.Leah Scheunemann, Deputy Director, Atlantic Council Transatlantic Security Initiative 24.Benjamin L. Schmitt, Former European Energy Security Advisor, U.S. Department of State 25.William Taylor, Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine 26.Alexander Vershbow, Former U.S. Ambassador to Russia and NATO 27. Kurt Volker, Former U.S. Ambassador to NATO and Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations
Nope, not interested.
see post #10 for The Usual Suspects.
Anyone with a set of balls.
For three years, many in the media have expressed horror at the idea of the Trump campaign colluding with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election. We now know there never was credible evidence of such collusion. In recently released transcripts, a long list of Obama administration officials admitted they never saw any evidence of such collusion — none. That included the testimony of Evelyn Farkas, a former Obama national security adviser who was widely quoted in her public plea for Congress to gather the evidence that she learned of as part of the Obama administration.
The media widely covered her alarm that this evidence would be lost “if they found out how we knew what we knew about their, the staff, the Trump staff’s, dealing with Russians.” Yet, in her previously classified testimony under oath, she repeatedly said “I didn’t know anything.” (Farkas is now running for Congress in New York and highlighting her role in raising “the alarm” over Russian collusion.)
While it breaks my heart to see the humanitarian disaster unfolding in front of our eyes, the idea of having a no-fly zone over even part of Ukraine is - at best - very naive. At worst, the complexity of maintaining such a zone plus the very fact that Russia went into Ukraine *specifically* to prevent any NATO forces from operating so closely to its heartland, will lead to a miscalculation that ends up starting WW3.
Russia is not some Third World shithole with insignificant amounts of old aircraft (and anit-aircraft missiles) operated by a bunch of undertrained, ill-educated, monkeys like in Iraq, Libya, etc. No, the Russians aren’t 10 feet tall (as evidenced by their army’s lackluster performance in the last 2 weeks - though I don’t think that we’ve seen their best in action, either), but they will exact a fearsome toll on our aircraft if they view such a zone as a prelude to an attack later (and they well might - it isn’t entirely outside of the realm of possibility, and in any case their military isn’t paid to make plans and recommendations based upon hope).
Oh, yeah, and one little detail that I left unmentioned: the Russkies have several thousand nuclear weapons, whereas the aforementioned shitholes wouldn’t know what to do with an actual nuke if you handed one to them. You just don’t screw around with a pissed off bear sporting nukes - there’s really no upside there, and potential downside the likes of which humanity has never before seen.
Stay the Hell out, period. Airdrop or truck in lots of food, blankets, shelters, medicines, etc. Take in refugees. Document Russian atrocities and put them in front of the media and the UN - but stay out. Just like they understood that Cuba was in our back yard and wouldn’t go to war over it, and just like we did the same in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, so should we do now.
Oh, and we should of course try to negotiate an end to hostilities that leaves most of Ukraine intact, and then arm the crap out of them so that there’s no repeat going forward....and arm the Poles, Romanians, Baltic States and others next to or near Russia more than we already have, again to avoid any repeats in any other countries. Make every country bordering Russia into a figurative porcupine that the bear will be smart enough to leave alone.
And weapons! Stingers and Javelins.
Regards,
No just no, but F_CK NO!!!
I think I’m not getting it. Duh @ me, lol. “Anyone with balls” doesn’t make sense in the context of your post #7. I was asking what group you’re speaking for when you suggest “We could send a bunch of Freepers..”
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