Posted on 02/28/2022 12:24:39 PM PST by Enlightened1
“No chance it is ok to force people to take experimental serum injections.”
Who in authority said it was an experimental injection? No one. They are saying it is good to go so they are required to take it for the mission because that’s what they agreed and swore to. Nobody held a gun to their heads.
wy69
“They are saying it is good to go”
Who is ‘they’? And what is ‘it’?
T.B. Yoits wrote:
“Corminaty and the EUA approved drug are NOT the same despite Pfizer’s attempt to deceive with word play.
Federal judge rejects DOD claim that Pfizer EUA and Comirnaty vaccines are ‘interchangeable’:”
The judge correctly acknowledged that “the DOD cannot mandate vaccines that only have an EUA”.
Actually, quoting from your lifesitenews: “The judge further noted that with regard to the administration of an EUA product to members of the armed forces, such a right of refusal may be waived only by the president.”
“As noted, “[t]he DOD acknowledges that the president has not executed a [waiver], so as things now stand, the DOD cannot mandate vaccines that only have an EUA.””
So the President can mandate these EUA vaccines.
As for the rest of your claims. Lifesitenews and childrenshealthdefense are not credible sources of information on vaccines. Both are notorious anti-vaxxer propaganda sites.
Enlightened1 wrote: “That is not correct on experimental shots. Had you watched the full video you would understand this.”
No one has presented a credible argument that these vaccines are ‘experimental’. Most of the attempts to do so are nothing more than an attempt to manufacture an excuse not to take the vaccines. Legally, they are not ‘experimental. Legally they are fully approved.
“I think they may know something that you clearly don’t.”
I spent half my life in the military system and in command and control positions. I clearly know what the commitment is and made a career out of it with three different organization within it, 35 years.
But since you are one of many that brought up this item of experimental like a few others, what qualifies it as an experimental? It’s not called experimental, it’s called emergency use and has to have the same safety possibilities of every medicine approved. And the civilian world is in the same situation. If you don’t want to board a plane, then leave your vaccination card at home.
The original effort was for religious reasons which didn’t hold water. And I can promise you that many people across the US have taken vaccines that fall under the same qualifications. A couple are shingles and measles/rubella. Where’s the uproar on those? And the polio vaccine was created using monkey internal pieces.
If they want to go, then they can choose to refuse a direct order and go out that way. And if they wish to fight it, they have every right to do so. But to my knowledge, and this would have been publicized, there were no IG complaints or congressionals filed. And that’s the way it is done in the military.
But choosing to defy a direct order because they don’t trust the product is their decision, not the military’s. So they choose to go. And since they are in a business that requires them to put their lives on the line, are they going to do the same thing there? Don’t add up.
wy69
Vaccines are experimental gene therapies? Here’s a good article from webmd.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
“...what is your threshold for admitting they are unsafe?”
I took them...I’m fine. But everyone is different. My question coming back is since there are people that react to different things from allergy shots to penicillins to pain relief meds to about anything that can be shot, and there have been millions already that took the vaccines, then what’s your threshold? Considering the need for the military to be on the job, and not sitting home with covid, and the people that make that decision did, hey have to say until the member decides to walk.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Did you know that DDT was first used to fight typhus and malaria in servicemen returning from WW II. It wasn’t called experimental and was approved by the FDA in 1945. It wasn’t pulled off the market until 1972. You might want to talk to people at the FDA and the CDC concerning their determination as to the use of any medication to include covid vaccines.
wy69
“Not like you’ll read this and respond, anyway.”
Absolutely I’m going to respond. The vaccines are not considered experimental by the people that make that decision, and the members have a right to turn down the injection. And that has nothing to do with discharge under art 92. That is for not following orders refusing a piece of the order if it is considered unsafe which it isn’t.
Get someone at the CDC or the FDA to make the determination that the vaccine is unsafe, and they will be forced to change the order. But until then, the members are bound by law and their consent to follow that order is expected in exchange for release. And again, the decision is totally up to the member, not the military in this case.
wy69
“They have flying skills that are greatly needed in the situation we are in now.”
You are correct. But in the estimation of the people that determine if the vaccines are required or not, they are required to take it or they may sit at home sick for an extended time and that aircraft experience is worthless.
And I’ll guarantee you that combat flying is a lot more dangerous than getting covid. So when they refused it, they violated art 92 of the UCMJ. Cut and dry.
wy69
Not credible? Sure, the CDC has tons of credibility. So does ABCCBSCNNFOXNBCNPRNYTWAPO. So does Sesame Street which these criminals used to push the Jim Jones Jab.
Calling Lifesite News and Childrens' Health Defense propaganda is very funny. Anti-vaxxer is a propaganda term. These are not anti-vaccine, they're anti-forced experimentation as were those who rightfully carried out the Nuremberg Trials.
The manic drive is to set up vaccine passports/social credit scores, coast to coast. Vaccination is a preliminary loyalty test by the regime - fail it, and you will encounter trouble down the road.
“Sequoyah101”
Please don’t bother me again. I don’t waste my time with people that all they are capable of is useless insults. You teach others nothing.
wy69
“Sequoyah101”
Please don’t bother me again. I don’t waste my time with people that all they are capable of is useless insults. You teach others nothing.
wy69
“Who is ‘they’? And what is ‘it’?”
“It” is the vaccines. And “they” are the CDC, the FDA, and the federal government in charge of the people refusing the vaccines and, also, the population of the US and it’s territories that can also refuse the vaccines any time they like.
wy69
“Who is ‘they’? And what is ‘it’?”
“It” is the vaccines. And “they” are the CDC, the FDA, and the federal government in charge of the people refusing the vaccines and, also, the population of the US and it’s territories that can also refuse the vaccines any time they like.
wy69
“ “It” is the vaccines.
They have been approved? Which ones, exactly?
“And “they” are the CDC, the FDA, and the federal government”
Which one?
“the federal government in charge of the people refusing the vaccines and, also, the population of the US and it’s territories”
The federal, any American government is most certainly not in charge. You’re confusing our government with some other system. The people are in charge, actually. They hire/elect representatives whom they pay to protect and defend the constitution.
“the population of the US and it’s territories that can also refuse the vaccines”any time they like.”
Without losing their jobs? In any case, the military are entitled to this protection.
Careful about that approval. And who issued it. Look into that.
“Oh, the humanity!!”
Ping
I assume that this class was a response to My Lai Massacre which,IIRC,happened in '68.
Long story short...he told us that we were under no obligation to follow "unlawful" orders.Of course,true to the best US Army traditions,he failed to give any examples of what constituted an "unlawful order".
I believe that the order to take the vaccine was unlawful. Hopefully,a military...or civilian...court will someday rule that way.
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