Posted on 02/27/2022 12:27:45 PM PST by House Atreides
The below is a comment that FReeper ‘Owen’ posted a bit ago. The link he posted was to a short discussion by a man (Gonzalo Lira [aka ‘Coach Red Pill’]) who is “on the ground” and has, IMHO, a very OBJECTIVE VIEW of what’s ACTUALLY happening in Ukraine.
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This is believable and only an hour old:
This was livestreamed a while ago. He is in Kiev, recently arrived from Kharkiv.
Ignore his opinions but listen to what he says about his first hand conversations with colleagues and friends and his own observations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mbgjjEnbKc&t=3103s
I highly recommend spending a few minutes listening to clarify your thinking on the situation.
I really apologize but I’m in a restaurant right now and I can’t access the clip. Can you give us a few highlights of what is being said? Thank you
Since Putin claims that the Ukrainians are Russians (partly true), it stands to reason that he would want to minimize both damage and civilian casualties.
Minimizing civilian casualties? Pukin might be trying but the fear and refugee situation alone is wrong. No. I’m not giving Pukin any excuse.
To minimize would be to not invade
Putin wants a return to what he sees as the glory days of the Ussr
Basically he has said that Russian troops have surrounded the second largest city in Ukraine and now there is small arms fire in the middle of that town. He said a major street leading to Kiev is blocked or taken over. The guy seemed to think, IMO, that surrounding a city and then taking it over was kind of a novel military tactic that the Russians seems to be employing in Ukraine. Of course, this is pretty much military tactics since the dawn of time.
Others can correct me if I missed something or mischaracterized something.
How would a similar invasion happen with the US?
Iraq invasion was much more aggressive. Russia seems to have some very tight rules of engagement
“This is the first realistic discussion I’ve seen on the military situation in Ukraine”
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It is quite clear-headed. Otherwise all we’re allowed to see in the media are type of the “Ukraine fighter pilot shoots down thousands of Russian jets - solo, in 15 minutes - just using his feet”!
Even US congress-vermin are falling for the propaganda:
https://9gag.com/gag/aggmvDK
The Ukrainian forces seem to be letting them in on purpose, because they can't defend a big perimeter, but once in the city they whack the Russians over and over again. It resembles the "motti" tactics the Finns used in 1940 applied to urban defense.
Can the Russians "surround" and besiege a city like Kharkov? Seems unlikely as the city is far too big. Men, small arms and anti-tank rockets can be smuggled in continuously. Could they starve the city out? Probably, but starving and wounded civilians aren't a good optic and with every passing day the chance of outside intervention would grow.
So where are the first tier troops going to end up
Did you mean "jibes"? Or is they some jive turkeys?
listening to clarify your thinking
I should seek clarity from someone who doesn't know the difference between "jive" and "jibe"?
You a jive turkey, sucka!
To me, these narratives that are suddenly saturating the media is almost assuredly CIA plant stuff. Oh yeah, and the one guy in a Cessna who has shot down 20 Russian MIGs.
The question is given that Russia can initially take large urban area of Ukraine, can Russia hold all of Ukraine with a relatively small force of 150,000. I think now that the civilian populace is armed, there is a possibility that urban guerilla warfare with a recalcitrant populace picking off Russia troops at night and possibly even Putin’s political puppets he puts in charge there, can create problems for Putin.
Don’t know but they won’t be cannon fodder. By the way, you and LouieFisk seem to be the only commenters so far who took the time to listen to it and understand it.👏👏👏
Yeah, you’re right. I guess I should get off this thread.
LOL - Yeah, I meant jibes. Flying fingers missed and hit the next key over.
A generally broad and correct statement. Yes.
Not at all. Your knowledgeable comment came in while I was doing the congrats comment to only those two commenters. IMHO, your comment was spot-on!👏👏👏
Much appreciated, FRiend.
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