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Putin appeals to his citizens to reject Western "progressive liberalism" not least because it echoes Bolshevism:
Twitter ^ | 1/12/2022 | Dr Jordan B Peterson

Posted on 01/12/2022 3:54:53 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...

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The Soviets were in certain ways very Conservative on a number of (not all) moral and cultural issues, while also very “secular” (non-religious) on others. Abortion and divorce were fine for example, “gay” was not.


21 posted on 01/12/2022 4:15:52 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Stalin was more “socially conservative” than Trotsky. That’s why liberals still adore Trotsky to this day.

I say the only good thing Stalin ever did was to kill that bastard.


22 posted on 01/12/2022 4:16:56 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Its All Over Except ...; mvonfr
It certainly appears that Russia is steadily moving away from Marxism and toward a Capitalist Economic System, and fair treatment of Christianity.

Putin seems to be a larger force in this progression, and he is reining in the abuse of Capitalism by both Russian, Western and now Western Asian Oligarchs.

23 posted on 01/12/2022 4:17:06 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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The issue is that there is a lot of wealth in Moscow and St. Petersburg, but the rest of Russia is still well behind those two cities.


24 posted on 01/12/2022 4:19:39 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: LittleBillyInfidel

He actually said the Holodomor atrocitiy was in fact genocide, and said the Bolsheviks ultimately were responsible, so I don’t know where you’re getting your info on that.

And remember, Biden “won” despite losing all the bellweather counties, won remarkably few counties across the U.S., lost Iowa, Florida, and Ohio, something never done and still won the presidency?


25 posted on 01/12/2022 4:20:05 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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*central


26 posted on 01/12/2022 4:20:44 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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The west is falling on the western Marxist/Progressive modern shibboleths NOT its foundational principles. The needed reform in the west is the return to first principles and a rejection of modern secular humanism.


27 posted on 01/12/2022 4:23:29 PM PST by Wuli
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To: dfwgator

Trotsky actually developed some ideas in their infancy then promoted today by advocates of CRT though they may not give him credit. Stalin got rid of Trotsky partially because he feared Trotsky implementing unending purity spirals and purges.


28 posted on 01/12/2022 4:25:24 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Navy Patriot

Russia isn’t Marxist.


29 posted on 01/12/2022 4:28:34 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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Actually Marx thought Russia would be the last country that would go Communist, since according to Marx’s theory a country had to be industrialzed as a pre-requisite, whereas Russia at the time of The Revolution, was still agrarian.


30 posted on 01/12/2022 4:29:54 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Stalin ruled more like Ivan the Terrible, than as a Communist.

During the war, he embraced Russian Nationalism, which Lenin and Trotsky despised.


31 posted on 01/12/2022 4:31:09 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Were the Romanovs really all that bad?


32 posted on 01/12/2022 4:33:59 PM PST by SisterK (recognize and resist tyranny)
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To: SisterK

My Polish relatives thought so.


33 posted on 01/12/2022 4:36:37 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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They weren’t very good in multiple ways and yet they were still better than the Bolsheviks.


34 posted on 01/12/2022 4:39:53 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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To: SisterK
Were the Romanovs really all that bad?

One should not generalize like this, there were better ones and there were worse ones, over 300 years this is how things always work.

But: by 1917 the entire elite reached a state of total degeneracy, the government was short on capable people, and the world crisis doomed them.

Compare this with the US of today... the world crisis is equally significant, and the elite is equally degenerate... albeit... I can probably find some capable people in the last Tsar's governments, but show me one capable Democrat?

35 posted on 01/12/2022 4:43:26 PM PST by mvonfr
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The liberal media in the U.S., be it the New York Times, etc, hated Stalin but not because he was iron-fisted given the ‘takes cracking eggs to make an omelet’ talk, but because they preferred Trotsky and those akin to him, for whatever reason.


36 posted on 01/12/2022 4:43:39 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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To: dfwgator

Poland
everyone has been trying to rip that country apart for centuries
I have the most respect for Poles


37 posted on 01/12/2022 4:44:35 PM PST by SisterK (recognize and resist tyranny)
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source article below...instead of that silly tweeter link

https://www.memri.org/reports/russias-new-conservative-ideology-counter-liberalism


38 posted on 01/12/2022 4:47:24 PM PST by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: SisterK

80% of the population ruled by Romanovs were effectively slaves. They were nasty enough that something like 6 of the last 12 czars were murdered.

Alexander III so mismanaged things that famine and disease killed half a million peasants around 1891, and hundreds of thousands of Jews fleeing to America and Palestine.

Romanovs eliminated Poland, splitting it with Prussia, etc.

Yes, they were pretty bad. Probably not worse than Bolsheviks, but that’s just in hindsight.


39 posted on 01/12/2022 4:56:33 PM PST by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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I don’t know where you’re getting your information from, but 6 of the last 12 Tsars were not murdered. Nicholas II was murdered after his overthrow. His grandfather, the “Tsar-Liberator” Alexander II, was killed by a bomb. Catherine the Great’s husband, Peter, may have been murdered on her orders. That’s basically it.


40 posted on 01/12/2022 5:11:32 PM PST by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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