Posted on 12/06/2021 11:37:04 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
No, I did not say that or anything like it. That's a lie.
And I'm sorry if detailed descriptions of what's really happening are too complicated for you to understand so you'd prefer a simple three line piece of misinformation as opposed to a three page detailed description that explains the actual facts.
The world isn't a simple place, and simple explanations are generally not enough to know what's going on.
What interests me most is the people who are now lying about me.
That seems to be their main tactic. To lie if it serves their political agenda.
Is this story factually incorrect somehow? Are people not being forcibly interred?
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But it's a lot easier for me to see things that are obviously not true - and there's been so much actual complete nonsense circulating that it's ridiculous - there has been doctored footage on the internet (sounds of automatic weapons fire being added to videos), for example. There's also been a lot of exaggerations.
In this case - I think this video is absolutely real. But the person who took it - some of the things she's said about her experiences at the very least show she didn't understand some things that were happening, even if she's not being deliberately dishonest (and, note, she does admit, she was willing to lie to try and avoid problems she was going to face). The big one there is that she seems to think she was locked up as a punishment. She wasn't. 14 days is the normal quarantine period for a close contact. Now, people, may absolutely believe that in itself is ridiculous and unjust - but if so, the fact that that is what actually happened is very important to understand. Claiming she was punished for lying actually makes the actual quarantine regime less visible.
There's a lot to be worried about here. And I believe it's perfectly valid to feel the quarantine situation is part of that. Do I agree? Personally I have mixed views on it. I do not regard quarantine as being inherently wrong, but I do think the regime is far more severe than the threat faced - if this was ebola, it might be different.
But at the same time, I'm also aware of the particular challenges faced in the Northern Territory - the thing that really worries me is that they do only have 20 ICU beds in total. They would not be able to handle things the way my state could.
And the indigenous population is particularly at risk. That's a medical reality. This is a group of people who are especially vulnerable to infectious disease.
I would prefer indigenous people had been moved voluntarily. But I'm also aware that the vast majority of them would have gone voluntarily - and would have seriously objected if there hadn't been a plan to move them. I also know they are not being specifically targeted, which I think a lot of people didn't understand - non-indigenous Australians in the same situation are subject to the same rules. I do wish I'd made that clearer in some of my earlier messages, but I honestly didn't realise that people didn't understand that. Australia hasn't had separate laws that could be used to limit the rights of indigenous people for well over half a century now - yeah, that went on way too long, but it is in the past now. And I just assumed people knew that.
So the news stories about people innocent of any wrongdoing or who test negative being imprisoned without due process are all lies?
The core story is accurate, there are some details I've seen on stories surrounding this one which are not entirely accurate, but in this case, most of that is fairly minor.
Are people not being forcibly interred?
A fairly small number are. People who are infected with COVID, or who are primary close contacts of people with COVID can be detained until they are considered to be no longer at risk of transmitting the disease to others. This typically requires quarantining for 14 days after you were infectious in the case of a person with COVID, or for 14 days if you a close contact - 14 days is considered long enough to be sure a person is unlikely to become infected.
This is currently only happening in one part of Australia - the Northern Territory - which has particular risk factors in terms of managing COVID - a high proportion of people who are considered immunocompromised, and a very small health system with very limited capacity to handle any sort of large scale outbreak. There's been various approaches to quarantine across different parts of the country at different times.
Hey, you’ve been around as long as I.
You know how the game is played.
Just ignore them, they’re not worth it.
Just because they may address you, doesn’t mean you must reply.
Sorry I didn’t read through the thread before I pinged ou
Maybe its because I’m getting old, but I care less and less about what people think of me...especially if they are just a collection of pixels on my screen.
Or Chinese misinformation. Those are really Chinese actor/spies.
No.
But I have never said that isn't happening. I have tried to explain the details of what is going on, correcting misinformation when it happens, but also openly and honestly discussing the real things that are happening.
Some stories have been lies and I've pointed that out. But certainly not all.
When I said "And you believe the lie" I was responding to your response to the statement that "I am sure naturalman1975 will be along to tell us how this is all right."
That is a lie. I am not telling people everything is all right. I'm telling people what is actually going on - the real problems (and there are very real problems) - and also telling people when they've been mislead (and that is also happening).
Some people here do not like it when they are told that something they've been told isn't true - and some of those people are now trying to 'shoot the messenger'. They are trying to say I've said things I haven't said, and that I've denied things when I've actually cleared said they happened. Or saying that I'm somehow saying everything that's being said is untrue, when in fact all I've said is some of it is. There's also cases where I have added important context that was left out.
This video is mostly accurate - some of the commentary surrounding it hasn't been entirely accurate but the core fact is true.
This woman was placed in quarantine because she was a primary close contact of somebody with COVID. She was not herself infected, but in the Northern Territory, quarantine rules require primary close contacts to quarantine for 14 days to ensure they don't become infected and thus become an infection risk to others. A single negative test is not enough - you have to test negative over a 14 day period.
It's certainly entirely reasonable to think those rules are wrong.
Australia is a country I always wanted to visit, but even if they ever do lift their INSANE hold on their own population, uh, nope. Ain’t gonna happen.
Same thing as Nazis. Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.
They are weeding out the diseased unvaccinated untermensch, to have a stronger vaccinated uber-race of people.
“Now, people, may absolutely believe that in itself is ridiculous and unjust”
Why no, we don’t think that here in the US of A.
We think it’s outright goddamned INSANE.
Know why? Because we know that right after that they start doing the same thing for riding tricycles too fast on the sidewalk, criticizing the local poobah because he expensed an evening with a hooker, or jaywalking at 11 PM on a winter night.
Hard to believe that a country populated by the descendants of those sentenced to Transportation for lifting a loaf of bread in London could tolerate what’s happening there now. Looks like the Jailer descendants finally got the upper hand!
This is true, at least in part.
But the lie you're responding to, just isn't.
I have never said these things aren't happening.
I want to be able to direct focus to things like this, rather than having to focus on the lies all the time.
I think one difference between Australians and Americans is that we don't embrace these slippery slope arguments as much as you do.
Why? Because we actually have a system of government where we don't need to.
All through recent events I had Americans telling me that my state of Victoria would never get back to normal.
Well, we're already 90% of the way back and we will get back there. The Americans who were saying we wouldn't were wrong.
Because they don't understand how our system works.
And Victoria is the worst place in Australia in these terms. Other states have an even easier path back than we do.
Hard to believe that a country populated by the descendants of those sentenced to Transportation for lifting a loaf of bread in London could tolerate what’s happening there now. Looks like the Jailer descendants finally got the upper hand!
You do know that Britain only started shipping convicts to Australia because they couldn't ship them to America anymore? America has its own history as a British prison colony.
But, again, it's wrong to say, Australians have tolerated what has happened here. Lots of us, including myself, have been working to fix it. The fact we haven't been doing it through widespread violence is because that isn't the most effective way to get change here.
And I do wonder at this criticism, when so many Americans on this site believe your last election was stolen. We can't see you doing much about that. Again, I assume there is stuff going on behind the scenes. I don't think all the people who believe that have just given up.
Indeed. It's incredible to me that a people symbolized by the Jolly Swagman who chose to die rather than be taken into custody would be so supine.
Yeah, I guess all those people who’ve been locked up over the thing in Washington DC in January should have never allowed themselves to be taken alive either.
I’ve faced death in the military. Sacrifice your life if you have to and it’s worth it. But you don’t just throw the thing away.
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