Posted on 11/13/2021 4:09:29 PM PST by raptor22
Tucker Carlson would have been a perfect adviser to the late Neville Chamberlain, the British Prime Minister who sold out Czechoslovakia in 1938 at Munich in an attempt to appease the Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler and waive a meaningless piece of diplomatic paper proclaiming “peace in our time.” Instead of confronting Hitler when it was relatively easy and when his own generals did not trust him, we got World War II, the Holocaust, and unfathomable carnage.
On his Wednesday night Fox News show, Tucker Carlson treated Ukraine like Chamberlain treated Czechoslovakia, a faraway country of no strategic importance, not worthy of fighting and dying for, and certainly not worth ticking off the brutal dictator trying to take it over:
Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH) may have gotten a more combative interview than he bargained for when he appeared with Tucker Carlson on Wednesday night.
Last week Turner and 14 other Republican members of Congress wrote a letter to President Joe Biden calling on him “to immediately provide support to the Ukrainians” after satellite images showed a buildup of Russian military “Tucker, thank you so much for bringing attention to this issue,” said Turner after Carlson welcomed him to the show. “This is one the mainstream media is not going to be reporting and is incredibly important for people to understand what Russia is doing and really the threat to the United States and the threat to the United States’ allies.” forces along Ukraine’s northern border.
After saying that many military families watch his show, Carlson told Turner, “I wonder if you could explain to them why it is in America’s interest that their kids risk their lives in Ukraine.”
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This is the part where the interventionists chime in and say, "Hitler doesn't want all of Czechoslovakia. He just wants the Sudetenland, and they would gladly join Germany."
I agree that Putin’s most probable approach is to take sections of Ukraine soon rather than trying to take all of it all at once.
If my kid wants to join the Military to fight “globalists” I would fully support that.
“Defending Ukraine against Russia” is “Pro Globalist”, so Nope.
I don’t care about the Ukraine.
“I’m still struck by the idea that ‘conservatives’ would trust government.”
It would take a long explanation for why this has happened ... like what the country was like when they were growing up even though things (like Viet Nam) should have made them less trusting. When I was young guy getting into this stuff (about 30 years ago), I heard a young Congressman by the name Newt Gingrich say ... no matter the party ... never trust anyone who has power [of the US givernment] over you.
I am glad we have younger FReepers like you here. Sometimes this is a rough space. But politics is not for the faint of heart.
Americans are under siege in their own country by a coup-installed regime and nobody in America is willing to fight an overseas war until we get our house in order.
Biden’s ChiCom handlers can go f**k themselves.
Eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington should be their own states comprised of the land East of the Cascade mountain range.
I don’t have a problem with going in and straightening out waywardly aggressive terrorism-sponsoring countries. I have a problem with Nation Building. My approach is the EmBASEee Strategee.
Taking all of it would never happen. That would be like if the US wanted to “take Mexico”.
Monterey & Cabo and maybe a few border towns would be all we really wanted. The rest isn’t worth the trouble.
Putin just wants Crimea and the land directly above it. Russians made all of the calls during Soviet times, and Russians gave Crimea to Ukraine, because Russians never saw the end of the Soviet Union. If they thought the Soviet Union would have ended, they never would have given Crimea to the Ukraine.
Taking all of it would never happen. That would be like if the US wanted to “take Mexico”.
Monterey & Cabo and maybe a few border towns would be all we really wanted. The rest isn’t worth the trouble.
Putin just wants Crimea and the land directly above it. Russians made all of the calls during Soviet times, and Russians gave Crimea to Ukraine, because Russians never saw the end of the Soviet Union. If they thought the Soviet Union would have ended, they never would have given Crimea to the Ukraine.
Thanks. Newt is a prime example. Supported NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and MFN, trade with China, every amnesty, department of education, etc. Yet, people think he was pro America and supported him. Nuts.
What drives the anti-Trumpers to hate him so intensely is that he was stopping the invasion and take over of our country that both parties have been orchestrating for 30 years.
They have been importing a permanent Democrat majority and Bush League Republicans have been assisting them to do it.
Stealing the country from the citizens by flooding it with foreigners has been the top priority and they were not about to let us re-elect President Trump.
Got it my FRiend.
That doesn’t change the truth he shared about never trusting anyone with power over you ... and that includes Newt. People should have trusted him less.
My Ancestors were Germans living in the Czech republic in the since the mid 1800’s and they would have gladly joined Germany vs the Ukrainians or the Russians communists.
Democrats are all about “Democracy”, so Let them Vote. If they vote to be part of Russia, there you go.
Same with any county of any state. Let them Vote.
If the Czechs and Slovaks could peacefully divorce, I don’t see why it isn’t possible here.
The US encouraged the Hungarians to believe the US would somehow intercede against the Russians in 1956. When Hungary stood up, the US had neither means nor will to defend them, and they were crushed.
George W. Bush sent arms and “advisors” to Georgia. Promises of western backing emboldened them to stand up to the Russians who were stirring up trouble in Georgia’s Ossetia. Russia called the bluff. We had neither the means nor the will to do anything. Georgia was invaded and beaten into submission.
Hillary Clinton interfered in Ukraine’s elections, and encouraged Ukraine to move into the EU/NATO orbit, which Putin sees as a massive threat to Russia. Ukraine fell for it, resulting in a civil war and loss of much of the country to Russia. The US had neither the means nor the will to intervene.
Do we detect a pattern here? Why does any country put hope over experience when it comes to US support for their aspirations? Push comes to shove, the US is not going to enter WWIII to wrench Ukraine away from Russian hegemony.
NATO would be foolish indeed to ally itself with a country that detests Russia (for good reason), is basically in a state of suspended war with Russia now, has a weak economy, rampant political and general corruption, etc. Ukraine would be emboldened to push back hard against Russian provocations, Russia would attack, NATO either would be dragged in with nothing to gain and everything to lose, or slink off and show itself a paper tiger. Russians would support Putin and authoritarianism against an external foe. Ukraine and the world would be much the worse for the whole episode (during which distraction, China would probably invade Taiwan).
Counter China
Defend the border
Put down blm/antifa
Secure energy supplies
Bring manufacturing and other critical industries back to the US
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We can aid Ukraine but we don't send our boys over there to fight.
Agreed on Tucker. But his arguments suggested that there is no way we could do both - help Ukraine and send troops to the border. I thought his insistence that this was an either-or policy decision was disingenuous. On top of that, he was really rude to the guy. Not one of Tucker’s better moments. Found myself pissed of at his attitude.
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