Posted on 11/09/2021 10:52:48 AM PST by Ozguy1945
I live in Australia.
The American alliance protects Australia from external threat.
In World War Two, Douglas MacArthur earned the title The Saviour Of Australia.
At the moment American protection of Australia is strengthened by our Quad alliance with Japan and India.
Indonesia is neutral. If Indonesia were aligned with this Quad making it a Quin, Australia would be safer.
Why don’t you call Indonesia and ask them nicely?
the worst they can say is Berhenti menulis utas kesombongan, Anda twit.
Indonesia is ostensibly neutral mostly because it’s a Muslim nation who at their core hate the Christian nations more than they worry about China.
For now.
When Chinese warships and soldiers invade and occupy Singapore and then seize the Strait of Malacca the Indonesians may rethink this. Or they may well invite the Chinese to seize Singapore and the Strait just to cheese off the West or because the Chinese bought them off.
In any case, don’t count on Indonesia to act in their own self-interest because the Muslims hate us more than they love their own children.
Maybe Vietnam and the Philippines would be more good allies.
Seems they might be open to joining. They have their own conflict brewing with China. China seems to have pissed off every one of her neighbors but Russia
Territorial claims in the South China Sea
An Indonesian Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcon flying over what appeared to be a Chinese Navy Type 903 replenishment ship on the disputed region off the coast of Natuna, Riau Islands
Despite Indonesia’s position as a non-claimant state in the South China Sea dispute,[40] two countries were inevitably involved in this territorial dispute; as parts of China’s unilaterally claimed nine-dash line is intersecting with Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone near Natuna islands. Although China has acknowledged Indonesia’s sovereignty over Natuna islands, China argues that the waters around Natuna islands are Chinese “traditional fishing grounds”. Indonesia quickly dismiss this claim and believes it has no legal basis.[41]
In March 2016, the two countries were involved in confrontation near Natuna Islands as Indonesian maritime authority that tried to capture a Chinese trawler accused for illegal fishing was prevented by Chinese coast guard.[42] Indonesia insists to prosecute Chinese trawler crew, despite Beijing’s demand to release them. An Indonesian official said that the “traditional fishing grounds” was not recognised under the UNCLOS. This incident prompted Indonesian military to increase its presence in Natuna area.[43] On 23 June 2016, Indonesian President Joko Widodo visited Natuna islands on a warship, this was meant to send a “clear message” that Indonesia was “very serious in its effort to protect its sovereignty”.[44]
Following the Permanent Court of Arbitration ruling on 12 July 2016, Indonesia called on all parties involved in the territorial dispute to exercise self-restraint and to respect applicable international laws.[45]
In January 2020, Chinese fishing boats, escorted by Chinese coast guard vessels, once again conducted fishing off the coast of northern islands of Natuna in waters claimed by Indonesia as its exclusive economic zone (EEZ).[46] This led to a stand-off between the countries and Indonesia’s decision to send its fishermen to join warships in the area to help defend against Chinese vessels.[47] Indonesia had deployed two Kapitan Pittimura-class anti-submarine corvettes at Great Natuna Island in early January, and later added one Martadinata-class guided-missile frigate, two Bung Tomo-class corvettes, one Ahmed Yani-class frigate, one Makassar-class landing platform dock (LPD), one Cakra-class diesel submarine and four F-16C/D fighter jets to the deployment even when China vessels appeared to have backed down from the region.[48]
Well, Vietnam is still a Marxist state, and the current leadership of the Philippines seems set on playing both sides off each other for their own benefit.
“China seems to have pissed off every one of her neighbors but Russia”
Even the Russians hate them, they just need them as a strategic partner against the West.
“don’t count on Indonesia to act in their own self-interest because the Muslims hate us more than they love their own children.”
A higher percentage of Indonesians love the US greater than Canada loves the US.
Nonalignment only gets you so far. Philippines want no part of Chinese hegemony.
China decides to attack USA will need whoever it can get to help
I love your name pangaea6 ....... the days when any country could rely totally on America for defence are either going or gone ....... for relatively small and geographically isolated Australia this reality hasn’t yet sunk in ......
A magnificent analysis. Thanks.
Last I heard, China was building the high speed railway from Bandung to Jakarta and Indonesia and Indonesia was working with China on a Covid vaccine.
The Natuna area problems have not derailed their relationship.
Pillipines and Vietnam are not the fourth biggest country in the world.
That’s Indonesia.
As usual hg you are far more autobiographical than you realise ....... congratulations on being able to do that in the Indonesian language just as well as you do it in English
Very I insightfull
Ally McBeal and Maguiver were huge in Indonesia
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