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Opinion: Now the Supreme Court will decide what it means to ‘bear’ arms
WAPO ^ | Oct. 29, 2021 | George Will

Posted on 10/29/2021 7:16:41 AM PDT by PROCON

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To: PROCON

The Founding Fathers, led by George Mason, defined “militia” as anyone not connected to the government.


41 posted on 10/29/2021 9:20:17 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: ctdonath2

You missed a perfect opportunity to enlighten a young person. Shame.


42 posted on 10/29/2021 9:21:02 AM PDT by webheart (I thought I was helping by getting vaccinated but they say I didn’t help at all. )
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To: tet68

Exactly!


43 posted on 10/29/2021 9:26:39 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Lurker

“Only a lawyer would try to dispute the plain meaning of the word “bear” in this context.”

Of course, you do mean, “A hard left-wing communist lawyer,” don’t you?


44 posted on 10/29/2021 9:54:52 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Land is simply a place I visit until I can return to the sea.)
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To: outofsalt
The word, "and" makes the statement absolutely clear that the right goes beyond ownership or possession,

Perfectly stated.

45 posted on 10/29/2021 10:02:14 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: PROCON

SCOTUS refused to rule on what for over 2 centuries was the ordinary and plain meaning of Natural Born Citizen because it probably woulda thrown a popular black dude to the curb. They’ll be more than happy to impose some new libtard standard on bearing arms because that’s what they do.


46 posted on 10/29/2021 10:04:47 AM PDT by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: ctdonath2

You missed a perfect opportunity to enlighten a young person. Shame.


47 posted on 10/29/2021 10:19:03 AM PDT by webheart (I thought I was helping by getting vaccinated but they say I didn’t help at all. )
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To: Theoria

In this snippet of the opinion, he is largely incorrect. We have a right to own and bear anything up to, and including crew-served weapons. If that were no true, there would be no purpose whatsoever in including Letters of Marque and Reprisal in the Constitution.


48 posted on 10/29/2021 10:19:45 AM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: zeugma
Yes, he is incorrect. He defends government restricts thru out the case. It was horrible.
49 posted on 10/29/2021 11:12:21 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: PROCON

“bear” means “carry”.

Yes, its that simple.

Yes, that means outside the home. Ergo, if a state is may issue for concealed carry permits then it must be open carry. Otherwise, they are denying citizens their right to bear arms. Open carry or shall issue for concealed carry permits. Pick one.


50 posted on 10/29/2021 11:18:42 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: PROCON

I personally do not care what the opinion of 9 unelected people say, nor elected folks for that matter, regarding the simple clear wording of the Second Amendment, or any portion of the US Constitution.

I can read, and understand a basic sentence. Arms, Right, People, Keep and Bear, Security, Free, and state are all pretty explicit, no implicit or hidden meaning involved. History then unfolds the detail and expanse of what it means in practice.

Only those duly convicted of a serious crime are ever disbarred from exercising any and all of their essential, fundamental and basic Rights given them by the Creator.


51 posted on 10/29/2021 11:52:47 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" )
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To: PROCON
I love irony. I find it fascinating how liberals are arguing that States and local government (like NY) have the right to regulate someone's 2nd Amendment right, but that States and local government (like Texas) should not be allowed to regulate something like abortion, that the liberals claim is a constitutional right even though the world abortion does not appear in the Constitution.

I guess that some rights are more right than others.

I also think that conservatives, need to be careful about being consistent in what states and local government should regulate. The Roe v Wade decision indicated that States had an increasing interest in the unborn in the Second and Third Trimester. It was only the first trimester where abortion should have been allowed. How partial birth abortion came about is a classic example of the “slippery slope” in action.

52 posted on 10/29/2021 12:01:03 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: cnsmom

You can’t have it or do it.


53 posted on 10/29/2021 12:09:10 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: FLT-bird
"Ergo, if a state is may issue for concealed carry permits then it must be open carry. "

So you think the states can eliminate one form of carry in favor of another for just some people?

How does this work for the First Amendment? Some books can be outlawed? Some people can be denied access to some books?

California has a law against LOADED open carry. Can the state outlaw the loading of arms without infringing the right?

Today's overwhelming preference for concealed carry simply illustrates that choosing one manner of carry over another is a matter of fashion. Concealed carry was out of fashion at the time of our Founding. It is now in fashion. I hope the Supreme Court recognizes this.

If not, then I hope the Supreme Court protects open carry. Libs can't stand to see the average person armed. I think they fear that the only thing stopping them from murdering other people is the scarcity of arms. If all they have to do is grab a gun from a nearby holster, they will all end up murderers.

54 posted on 10/29/2021 2:08:50 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: webheart

He understands. It was a joke.


55 posted on 10/29/2021 3:38:47 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (All worry about monsters that'll eat our face, but it's our job to ask WHY it wants to eat our face.)
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To: PROCON; Lurker; tet68; real saxophonist
Jeffrey Snyder said it best

Gun control is one of the most prominent battlegrounds in our current culture wars. Yet it is unique in the half-heartedness with which our conservative leaders and pundits -- our "conservative elite" -- do battle, and have conceded the moral high ground to liberal gun control proponents. It is not a topic often written about, or written about with any great fervor, by William F. Buckley or Patrick Buchanan. As drug czar, William Bennett advised President Bush to ban "assault weapons." George Will is on record as recommending the repeal of the Second Amendment, and Jack Kemp is on record as favoring a ban on the possession of semiautomatic "assault weapons." The battle for gun rights is one fought predominantly by the common man. The beliefs of both our liberal and conservative elites are in fact abetting the criminal rampage through our society.

56 posted on 10/29/2021 4:47:15 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2 )
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To: DoodleBob

Well said.

L


57 posted on 10/29/2021 4:49:17 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: DoodleBob

It was Henry Hyde who cast the deciding vote in the House Judiciary Committee in favor of the AWB. He could have killed it in Committee but he didn’t.

L


58 posted on 10/29/2021 4:51:32 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: PROCON

It means what it says.


59 posted on 10/29/2021 5:27:03 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: Scrambler Bob

So far as I know there are only three ways to read the word “BEAR”.

1: BARE = BUCK NEKED (even spelled different).
2: BEAR = Big hairy 4 footed animal that keeps destroying my apple trees.
3: BEAR = Lift, carry, support, hold up.

I think in this case I am going to go with number 3.

NEKED=yes, I am a redneck.


60 posted on 10/29/2021 11:51:05 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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