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swedish study shows covid vaccines drop below zero efficacy on spread by about 200 days
Bad Cattitude ^ | 10/28/2021 | el gato malo

Posted on 10/28/2021 11:39:57 AM PDT by Mount Athos

The swedes just did a large vaccine study using 842,972 pairs of people (1.7 million total). each pair had one vaxxed, one unvaxxed. it’s currently a preprint for “the lancet.” you can grab it HERE.

this was a retrospective study, but one in which the matching of cohorts was pretty good which improves the evidence quality quite a bit. it’s not a full RCT, but it’s a lot better than most of what’s getting published right now.

Vaccines start off reasonably effective, but they fade very quickly. This has long been a criticism and a complaint about the shortness of the drug trials on which their approval was based and the elimination of their control groups to prevent long term study.

Given these longer term results, it seems clear why they (Pfizer) chose to run short trials and then eliminate the control groups after about 90 days. because that’s when things start to go off the rails.

The downslope in efficacy against symptomatic infection is just starting right where pfizer and moderna ended their trials and vaccinated the control groups to make future comparison impossible.

The evidence that vaccines fail to stop spread has been clear for some time and not even the CDC argues it anymore.

What this study added that was terribly interesting was data on the prevention of severe covid. and this too drops rapidly.

At around 90 days, drop in efficacy is becoming noticeable. it’s under 50% by 6 months. by 250 days, it looks to be about 25%.

Hospitalization and death dropped as well. Worst of all, it drops most in the most vulnerable. the people who most need protection get the most rapid fade/least efficacy.

The efficacy of these vaccines wanes VERY rapidly. you’d need to boost every 3 months to keep it high and every 6 to keep it about about 30% on symptomatic infection and 45% on hospital/death.

so you’re rebuying immunity every 3-6 months, taking the adverse event risk again, and using it to avoid an outcome (getting covid) that is not terribly dangerous for most and thus getting very little absolute risk reduction (detailed discussion here). This was already a bad bet for most under 50 and pretty much anyone without comorbidities.

But having to make the bet, over and over, just to stand still means that eventually, it’s a bad bet for anyone because once you get covid, you rarely get it again and when you do, it’s mild. acquired immunity from recovery is FAR superior to vaccinated immunity and looks to be actually sterilizing as well so you’ll stop being a spread vector.

You cannot make a case for boosters by looking at efficacy alone, especially when “50% VE” actually maps to “half of 1% for under 50’s or 1/10th of 1% or less if under 50 and healthy.”

It does not take a lot of side effects to swamp that, especially if you have to keep running the risk over and over to avoid what is basically a one time outcome.

There is also an argument that leaky vaccines are causing superspread while at the same time actually making the virus worse by inverting its evolutionary gradient.

If those are true, the fact that efficacy fades here is the best news we have. We need to stop boosting and let it run down so we stop breeding for hotter strains that make us all worse off. (even the vaxxed)

The simple fact is this: rushing vaccines of a brand new type never before used in humans (but known to be problematic in animals) was always a deeply bad idea.

The trials were short and rigged to mask fade and side effects while overstating efficacy. VE was used instead of absolute risk reduction, and cost/benefit was not even considered.

The immunity was supposed to be sterilizing. it’s not.

The effects were supposed to be strong. they aren’t.

The efficacy was supposed to be durable. it isn’t.

They were supposed to protect the most vulnerable. but that’s who they work least well on.

And yet the one note flute of public health keeps pushing and mandating them despite all these new learnings that run counter to all the assumptions they made when proposing this policy.

The CDC told us it would stop spread.

Getting probably the most important salient of all totally wrong really ought to lead to a policy reassessment, not a doubling down.

The adverse events are FAR in excess of any other vaccines approved in FDA history.

Having called this safe should lead to a massive search for what else you missed.

Is there even a cessation condition here? is there any data that would lead the FDA to rethink or the politicians and health agencies to stop these programs?

Because it looks to me like “more boosters!” is the answer to every question.

That’s not the sign of evidence based medicine.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: bioweapon; boosters; vaccine; vaxxine; wuhanflu
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1 posted on 10/28/2021 11:39:57 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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2 posted on 10/28/2021 11:41:22 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

There are a lot of additional details, charts, citations at original link


3 posted on 10/28/2021 11:42:23 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Proof it’s not a vaccine.

Real vaccines do not drop off this quick nor require boosters for the rest of your life.


4 posted on 10/28/2021 11:42:31 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Mount Athos

Whoever wrote this summary seems pretty balanced; I don’t detect a conspiracy-monger here, just someone reporting what the study apparently found. It will be interesting to see how much publicity it gets when it’s published.


5 posted on 10/28/2021 11:48:00 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Enlightened1

Tetanus requires boosters - every 10 years.


6 posted on 10/28/2021 11:48:16 AM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: Mount Athos

Ummm, pardon my weak understanding of efficacy but doesn’t negative efficacy mean from that point on, you would have been better to NOT get the vaccine?


7 posted on 10/28/2021 11:48:27 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: Mount Athos

It’s a mad world...


8 posted on 10/28/2021 11:48:31 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Mount Athos

The severity of COVID-19 does not warrant the extreme response we are seeing.
Something is on.


9 posted on 10/28/2021 11:49:43 AM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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+1


10 posted on 10/28/2021 11:50:22 AM PDT by waterhill (I would rather Texas had not joined the Union. )
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To: Mount Athos

Just wait until they start giving it to little kids and mutations develop that are strong and smart enough to jump the most robust immune systems of our species ( healthy children)


11 posted on 10/28/2021 11:51:06 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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Real vaccines do not drop off this quick nor require boosters for the rest of your life.

Correct. When the original Salk polio vaccine came out in the middle 50s, millions of school kids were administered the vaccine once, and once only. And the polio rate in the US dropped to virtually zero. That was a true vaccine.
12 posted on 10/28/2021 11:51:22 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Little Ray

Tetanus is a bacteria. Apples to oranges to try and compare it to a vaccine for a virus


13 posted on 10/28/2021 11:52:49 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: taxcontrol

The ‘negative percent efficacy’ as shown on the chart does require some sort of explanation.


14 posted on 10/28/2021 11:54:33 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Little Ray

Tetanus is a bacteria not a virus, and lives in soil and other environments.
It does not transmit human to human.
Thus it is an endemic enviro toxin.
Really no comparison to this airborne human transmissible bioweapon altered “ virus”….which bioweapon labs are still tinkering with


15 posted on 10/28/2021 11:55:38 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: MNJohnnie

Correct. And any puncture injury usually dictate getting another Tetanus booster, regardless of the last time you received one, because of the bacterial nature of the wounds.


16 posted on 10/28/2021 11:55:42 AM PDT by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021.)
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To: Mount Athos

It’s pretty simple... Pfizer did a better marketing job than all the other vaccines... And Pfizer is the least effective of all the vaccines.

Now... Go out and get yourself a shot of J&J, Moderna or AstraZeneca... Those are the vaccines that actually work.


17 posted on 10/28/2021 11:57:57 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: Enlightened1
Proof it’s not a vaccine.

Serious question. So what is it then? Please dont say poison as it does seem to have a short term inoculative effect. Why does it not last longer? Looking for medical explanation in terms a non-medical professional can understand.

18 posted on 10/28/2021 11:58:45 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: jerod

Actually they don’t since they all require booster shots now


19 posted on 10/28/2021 12:01:01 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: silverleaf

I could be wrong, but I believe that with tetanus, you are being inoculated against the TOXIN produced by the bacteria, as well, and not even the bacteria. It is the toxin that kills you.


20 posted on 10/28/2021 12:01:17 PM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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