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Alan Dershowitz talks the legalities of Baldwin shooting...
American Thinker.com ^ | October 26, 2021 | Pandra Selivanov

Posted on 10/26/2021 4:18:37 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

>>Alan Dershowitz, an emeritus law professor at Harvard, is one of the greatest legal minds of our time,

when he wasn’t having sex with underaged girls on Epstein’s island that is....


21 posted on 10/26/2021 5:27:06 AM PDT by qwerty1234
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To: Kaslin
Alec is a lib, libs are inherently stupid, they are born that way, how do you think they became libs?

As such , I avoid extended interactions with libs. Be it work, home, church, walmart. Get in, get what you need done, move on. I sure as hell wouldn't be around any lib with a weapon.

Alec is lucky he didn't shoot himself. .

on a side note, All my lib friends are now former friends. Trump was the cure for liberalism. They went nuts and could no longer control their hateful hidden thoughts, like demons hearing the name of Jesus!

Trump was to libs what salt is to slugs.

22 posted on 10/26/2021 5:28:49 AM PDT by Ikeon (Hate your life? Try socialism, at least you wont be alone anymore!😃)
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To: Political Junkie Too

However, if he thought it was just a blank, he might have felt it was “safe” to do that.

Remember, the staff person responsible for those guns yelled out loud while handing it to Baldwin that it was a “cold” gun.

There were already issues with “cold” guns on the set, so who knows what Baldwin or anybody else was thinking.

The “devils” argument is that people sometimes think they can get away with stuff they normally wouldn’t. The crook always thinks he is smarter than the detective, and I know Baldwin always thinks he is smarter than anyone else.


23 posted on 10/26/2021 5:42:21 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Kaslin

“Alan Dershowitz believes that Alec Baldwin’s shooting of Halyna Hutchins could be considered a homicide.”

Any time one human being kills another human being it’s a homicide. The only question is if that homicide was legally justifiable or not.

In Baldwin’s case it Mose certainly wasn’t.

L


24 posted on 10/26/2021 5:48:22 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Col Frank Slade

So if I intentionally make a lane change in my car, but the other vehicle is in my blind spot because I didn’t move my head enough to see properly in the rear view mirror, when I hit the other car it’s not an accident because I intentionally changed lanes?

People seem to be hung up on this idea that it’s not an accident, it’s negligence. Most accidents involve some sort of negligence. Calling the shooting an accident simply means Baldwin did not intend to fire a bullet into those two people. Of course perhaps he meant to but setting that possibility aside he accidentally did so as opposed to intentionally. That’s the difference between murder and manslaughter.


25 posted on 10/26/2021 5:48:30 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: wbarmy

“However, if he thought it was just a blank, he might have felt it was ‘safe’ to do that.”

Shoot (no pun intended). Even I know better than to think that a blank can’t hurt someone, since there have been too many incidents reported where that has happened in Hollywood.

Of course, as you say, Baldwin thinks he’s smarter than the cops. I’d love to see him knocked off his high horse, but I have a feeling that won’t happen. His politics protect him.


26 posted on 10/26/2021 5:49:14 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty. Don't forget his And cohort)
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To: Kaslin
Attorney Andrew Branca is a much better choice for discussion of such issues. He has an ongoing vlog, usually daily during the course of events or during the active trial, about important cases such as Aubrey, Rittenhouse, and now Baldwin, and he lays it out with dispassionate fact and logic. And it is his speciality area. Check him out:

https://lawofselfdefense.com/

Spoiler alert: He thinks it's a clear case that Baldwin should be charged with negligent homicide per New Mexico law. Baldwin is the one who did the final action that caused the death and injury--everyone before that might have some part in it, but Baldwin is the one who could have checked the weapon for safety, not pointed it at the target, and not fired it, but he didn't. Maximum jail time for that in NM is 18 months, but he likely wouldn't see that much.

Shucks, even Eddie Eagle level instruction would have saved Baldwin--if you see a gun, stop, don't touch, leave the area, tell an adult! Emphasis on the "adult" part.

27 posted on 10/26/2021 5:58:48 AM PDT by Notthemomma ( )
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To: Notthemomma

Misspelled it:
Should be Arbery, not Aubrey.


28 posted on 10/26/2021 6:06:09 AM PDT by Notthemomma ( )
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To: Notthemomma
I said ".....charged with negligent homicide...." but that was my wording. Branca's words on his website are "felony involuntary manslaughter."

I'm not an attorney.

29 posted on 10/26/2021 6:10:14 AM PDT by Notthemomma ( )
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
One of the first thingsd I was taught about firearms is that you never trust anothere persons word about whether or not they are loaded. When you take possession of a firearm, the first thing you do is check to see if it is loaded or not.

A gun shop I frequent has a policy of keeping any ammo they discover in a customer's gun if he or she claims it's "not loaded".

Scene: Customer hands a gun to an employee, saying "It's not loaded"

  1. Employee checks the gun and discovers it has ammo. He takes the ammo out and examines the gun.
  2. Employee hands the gun back to the customer, now empty of all ammo.
  3. Customer: "Hey! Can I have my ammo back?"
  4. Employee: "No, you said it wasn't loaded."

30 posted on 10/26/2021 6:17:03 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fauci is a despicable little turd)
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To: Kaslin
We often exchange guns at the range to zero into weapons "we got to have". Once a person hands me a weapon, it is totally mine until I hand it back. I make sure the magazine is out and the chamber is clear. Pointing a gun at someone is a no-no. I haven't worked that much with blanks but if the same gun can shoot blanks or live rounds, it makes sense that the person pulling the trigger should have some moral responsibility to check the contents.

Maybe there is not enough criminality in his action to warrant jail time, but his anti-gun spokesman days have to be over. When a 60+ man who has probably gone through the gun handling procedures for movie props dozens of times can't pick it up like millions of basic trainees, he is probably not a credible source.

31 posted on 10/26/2021 6:17:49 AM PDT by Starstruck ( Binge watching re-runs of history.)
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To: wbarmy

Probably a very good case to be made for criminally negligent homicide - the only question would that include the idiot Baldwin or the idiot armorer, or both?


32 posted on 10/26/2021 6:25:38 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: SeeSharp
With that many picky protocols it is inevitable they will be ignored.

Ignored or missed. There is only a need for one protocol. That falls squarely on anyone that touches the weapon.

33 posted on 10/26/2021 6:30:31 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("Goats are like mushrooms. Because if you shoot a duck, I'm afraid of toasters." - Joe Biden)
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To: Col Frank Slade

Did the scene call for him to aim at the camera and director and pull the trigger? No answer yet to that.


34 posted on 10/26/2021 6:44:28 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: Ikeon; Kaslin
"Alan Dershowitz believes that Alec Baldwin’s shooting of Halyna Hutchins could be considered a homicide."

Let's hope that this ignorant mistake is by the author, Pandra Selivanov, and not by "one of the greatest legal minds".

35 posted on 10/26/2021 6:51:00 AM PDT by BDParrish (God called, He said He'd take you back!)
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To: lowbridge

They weren’t shot, they were helicopter’d to death.

If I recall, the pilot died too. He was the “trigger puller” in this sense.

I may be wrong ref.the pilots’ death and too lazy to search.


36 posted on 10/26/2021 6:53:13 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" )
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To: Col Frank Slade

Merriam Webster’s Full Definition of “accident”

1a: an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance
Their meeting was an accident.
b: lack of intention or necessity : CHANCE
They met by accident rather than by design.
2a: an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance
was involved in a traffic accident
2b-medical : an unexpected and medically important bodily event especially when injurious
a cerebrovascular accident
2c-law : an unexpected happening causing loss or injury which is not due to any fault or misconduct on the part of the person injured but for which legal relief may be sought
2d-US, informal —used euphemistically to refer to an uncontrolled or involuntary act or instance of urination or defecation (as by a baby or a pet)
The puppy had an accident on the rug.
3: a nonessential property or quality of an entity or circumstance
the accident of nationality

Thank you Col. Sir for your comments. Would you say that definition 2a and 2c does not apply here? If Baldwin’s intention was to make a scary sound for the camera and it ewas not his intention to have anything come out of the barrel? He certainly violated gun-safety rules by pointing the firearm at something that he did not intend to destroy.
I wonder if it is even necessary to do this when filming. How hard could it be to get out of the way? Shoot out the camera lens and not the people. Set the camera going. Get evabody away. Yell “Action!” Actor points and makes the bang sound or add it in after. Yell “Cut!” Go back and see if camera worked. How is this wrong?


37 posted on 10/26/2021 7:05:46 AM PDT by BDParrish (God called, He said He'd take you back!)
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To: larrytown
Probably a very good case to be made for criminally negligent homicide - the only question would that include the idiot Baldwin or the idiot armorer, or both?

I've read the armorer was not allowed inside the building do to Covid protocols . It has been reported she prepared 3 guns and left them on a cart outside of the building so there is a possible chain of custody issue. She may avoid criminal charges, but lawyer fees and civil action will probably ruin her. There have been reports that at least one of the guns was used for target practice. Did she know anything about this? Did she allow it or was she pressured to allow it?

38 posted on 10/26/2021 7:49:56 AM PDT by EVO X ( )
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To: albie

No not extreme but professional


39 posted on 10/26/2021 8:32:35 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Also, this was 1982... I don’t think we had the concept of “elite” yet

No offense but...are you kidding me??!!!???!!!


40 posted on 10/26/2021 8:37:02 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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