Posted on 10/03/2021 8:17:01 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
i believe Bossche and others have been warning about potential antibody dependent enhancement. this may be what they are talking about.
there have been problems with ADE in previous mRNA vaccine studies.
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—What the authors are saying is, breakthrough infections are almost exclusively Delta, as opposed to the unprotected which are taken out by the more contageous but more primitive alpha and lambda.
” In contrast to previous studies, we found that vaccine breakthrough infections are more likely to be caused by immunity-evading variants as compared to unvaccinated infections. These findings are largely attributed to the observed decreased proportion of vaccine breakthrough infections from the alpha variant, despite its documented higher infectivity relative to all VOCs except delta and gamma11,25-27.”
“Alpha was the only non-resistant variant associated with breakthrough infection in vaccinated cases.”
“In contrast, variant distribution in unvaccinated cases, with alpha and epsilon predominant (Figure 2B, right), was similar to estimates of prevalence locally in the community”
“These findings suggest that vaccine breakthrough cases are preferentially caused by circulating antibody-resistant SARS-CoV-2... but not by those associated with increased infectivity “
--Antibody-resistant variants of concern were born in regions without vaccines months ago. Delta was one of the variants the developed immune escape mechanisms. The vaccine is good to go against early infectious variants but is challenged by Delta. Which we sorta already know.
“vaccine breakthrough cases are generally associated with low or undetectable qualitative and neutralizing antibody levels in response to vaccination. These findings are consistent with studies that have correlated high antibody levels with vaccine efficacy30” .
“Among the symptomatic breakthrough infections, 0 patients (0%) died. Among the unvaccinated infections 5 (1.2%) patients died” “
“...only advanced age of >65 years was significantly associated with vaccine breakthrough infections as compared to unvaccinated infections”
--The authors then effectively discredit the 'superspreader' rumor:
“Differences in viral loads were non-significant between unvaccinated and fully vaccinated persons overall “
” significantly lower viral RNA loads were observed in asymptomatic breakthrough cases as compared to unvaccinated cases (p=0.0023). “
“They also suggest that asymptomatic transmission of breakthrough cases may be less efficient at propagating SARS-CoV-2 given the lower viral loads”.
-Breakthrough infected are not ‘superspreaders’ or more infectious than unprotected
“Taken together, these data suggest that symptomatic breakthrough cases are as infectious as symptomatic unvaccinated cases.... These findings thus reinforce the importance of mask wearing recommendations in symptomatic persons to control community spread, regardless of vaccination status29. “
—Well, I say, that if someone is symptomatic, they don't need to be in public wearing a mask, they need to park their tush on the couch and stay home. And then they wouldn't have to worry about wearing a mask. And neither would anyone else.
Geer Vanden Bossche has been warning that vaccine antibodies would suppress natural antibody responses. The vaccine antibodies take control of the immune system and defend only against a targeted virus.
Antibodies to covid, whether stimulated by a vaccine or by the virus itself, are all antibodies to covid. And they are all made by our immune system.
And they all defend against the spike protein.
This Geer is a stupid idiot.
Among vaccinated individuals, a COVID variant virus is not recognized by the specialized antibodies provided by the vaccine, and the natural antibodies have been programmed to stand down.
This is completely absurd. No one can tell our immune system, oh, btw, ignore this, ok?
They are all “natural antibodies”!!
That is why when you are vaccinated, it supplies you with protection from a disease. The vaccine caused your body to make “ natural antibodies”, whatever those are.
the highly specialized antibodies in the vaccine..
There are no antibodies in vaccines.
Regeneron has antibodies. Vaccines do not.
The rest of the garbage you can find is garbage by reading this.
https://now.tufts.edu/articles/how-viruses-mutate-and-create-new-variants
Not “more susceptible”. More likely.
And do you understand why that is true, perchance?
What this study is saying is this...people who are fully vaccinated and get covid are more likely to get the mutants that are at least partially able to escape some of the vaccine protection.
Yep.
And people who are unvaxxed can get *any* strain of covid.
Their point is that those with breakthrough infections, because they are only susceptible to the strains that have mutated to escape vaccines (partially) are more likely to be carrying the worst strains around when infected.
Because they don’t get any of the other strains since being vaccinated. They are immune to every strain except the ones that are mutating to avoid antibodies created.
The same would be true for covid survivors who have some degree of immunity from any of the other strains.
I hope this makes sense to you.
No. PEOPLE were feeling better and not completing their full round of antibiotics.
These are viruses, not bacteria. There is no comparison.
Mutations are random. They are the result of incorrect pairing that is not corrected.
Fun fact - the first sars virus mutated itself out of being able to infect humans.Just as everyone was preparing to panic.
There is no such phenomena. The closest thing I can imagine to these weird statements is passive immunity.
“Israel is already on it’s second round of booster shots.”
No it is not. Check the news. They have said to prepare for a 4th shots but have also said it will probably be modified for better protection against mutants.
Lies, garbage, and lies. And most here just believe it.
Complete lack of critical thinking or interest in becoming more educated.
You knew and still know nothing.
Light years beyond yours and thousands of light years beyond most of the posters on this thread.
"Since January 1, in the laboratory, I’m seeing a 20 times increase of endometrial cancers over what I see on an annual basis,” reported Dr. Cole in the video clip shared on Twitter.
Trust me. Your brain has been completely wasted and it is a terrible tragedy.
PS. Did you know Geert’s credentials? He is a veterinarian.
“Antibodies to covid, whether stimulated by a vaccine or by the virus itself, are all antibodies to covid.”
Your point would be stronger if you didn’t call people stupid. All the US vaccines only target antibodies to the spike protein at rates that are 25x or more higher than natural immunity. Natural immunity provides a balanced response against all 5 proteins. Variants are mutating with the spike. Natural immunity maintains a balanced response and can detects and fight variants better because it detect the other proteins that haven’t changed.
The key question is whether adding the vaccine to natural immunity will in some way diminish the effectiveness of non spike antibodies.
Those other proteins don’t matter.
The spike protein alone kills, without the rest of the virus.
A bit of mutation will perhaps partially disable a stronger immune response, but retain the better part of it, with or without cross-reactivity.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902
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