Posted on 09/18/2021 6:13:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
>> Figures never Lie, but Liars Figure
Exactly.
We should all be openly discussing the complexity of the data and its irregularities. But instead we suffering the force of irrational govt.
Totally agree.
Texas Fossil wrote: “None of the recognized doctors who are critical of how the Covid19 mess was handled are Anti-Vaxxers. There are legitimate issues with the mRNA treatments for Covid19. Unlike normal vaccines these do not prevent infection, and do not give protection when the virus mutates.”
Those ‘doctors’ are certainly anti-vaxxers. One of the oldest tricks on the internet is denying your background.
And, yes, those ‘treatments’ are vaccines, they do prevent infections, and they do give protection. They may not be 100% effective but name two or three vaccines that are.
I’d like to see a study, not a news report, but a study of the effects of ivermectin on COVID in India.
wjcsux wrote: “Big Pharma isn’t your friend.”
Neither are the anti-vaxxer websites where most of the material posted on Free Republic originate.
Nice label you have there to slap on anyone who disagrees with you.
It isn’t really debatable that companies will game the system and government agencies intended to manage that gaming get wholly captured by those same companies. It is one of the chief problems of bureaucracy.
And when you have a corrupt and incompetent president (and his entire administration), there is no check on it at all.
hopespringseternal wrote: “And when you have a corrupt and incompetent president (and his entire administration), there is no check on it at all.”
You are aware that Trump and his administration developed the vaccines?
“Those ‘doctors’ are certainly anti-vaxxers.”
NO.
Dr. Robert W. Malone holds patents on the mRNA vaccination process. He is not an anti-vaxer.
This is interviews since the Conference in Rome:
Medical Academics Are Speaking Out Against Fauci And The Biden Administration
https://rumble.com/vmo1i3-medical-academics-are-speaking-out-against-fauci-and-the-biden-administrati.html
Physicians And Scientists Sign ‘Rome Declaration’ Against Covid Vaccines
https://rumble.com/vmo1nd-physicians-and-scientists-sign-rome-declaration-against-covid-vaccines.html
The Undeniable Ivermectin Miracle in India’s 240m Populated Largest State, Uttar Pradesh – Horowitz
https://newsrescue.com/the-undeniable-ivermectin-miracle-indias-240m-populated-largest-state-uttar-pradesh-horowitz/
FACT:
In December my 95 year old father was diagnosed with Covid. He had lots of pre-conditions. 15+ years ago he had quadruple heart bypass surgery, 6 years ago he had a pacemaker put in, he had Pick’s disease. We took him to the doctor, they ran 2 Covid tests, and did chest Xrays and other lab tests. He tested negative on the quick Covid Test. They prescribed an antibiotic and heavy D-3. About a week later the PCR test came back positive. The doctor called in a prescription of Ivermectin. (3mg 4X / Day for 3 days) At the 4th day he no longer had any symptoms and was doing much better.
He did die in March, but he did not die of Covid. He died at home in his own bed. He simply stopped breathing.
This is not hear say, I with with him ever day for many years. He had 24 hour care at home for 5 years.
“Neither are the anti-vaxxer websites where most of the material posted on Free Republic originate.”
Which websites are you referring to? Be specific.
“Neither are the anti-vaxxer websites where most of the material posted on Free Republic originate.”
Which websites are you referring to? Be specific.
So? Trump made a lot of mistakes, mainly in the people he trusted. He also massively underestimated the scale of corruption of the government in general.
Development of the vaccine is one thing, mandating the vaccinate for everyone is quit another. As is commiting scientific and policy fraud.
A lot of people are now seeing there is a great deal of collusion between powerful companies and government. This symbiosis between corporate interests and government is the Nazi model of governance. It is fascism.
This does not make them "good." Had they been developed under Biden, this would not make them "bad."
It is my current understanding that this is the first time MRNA techniques were utilized to make this thing they are calling a "vaccine."
Is this correct?
DiogenesLamp wrote: “is the first time MRNA techniques were utilized to make this thing they are calling a “vaccine.””
I believe that is correct but that doesn’t make them inherently good/bad.
This is true, but it makes them unproven.
Caution with something that has not been tested adequately is what wise people would do.
From what i've read, mRNA is potentially very dangerous because it can causes cellular mutations. It's potentially like a carcinogenic on steroids.
DiogenesLamp wrote: “This is true, but it makes them unproven. Caution with something that has not been tested adequately is what wise people would do.”
Perhaps, but that ‘caution’ exposes you to other risks such as illnesses, hospitalizations, and death from COVID.
DiogenesLamp wrote: “From what i’ve read, mRNA is potentially very dangerous because it can causes cellular mutations. It’s potentially like a carcinogenic on steroids.”
You can find all sorts of speculation promulgated by the anti-vaxxer community who are always looking for new reasons to refuse the vaccines. I suggest you read this link from JohnsHopkins that addresses your concerns.
For example the mRNA vaccines do not enter the nucleus of the cell so they cannot change your DNA, mRNA technology wasn’t rushed, it’s been under development for more than 20 years, and it is safe and effective.
As for myself, I caught the bug last November and it was quite miserable for a week. I believe I caught it again about a month ago because the symptoms started out exactly the same, but didn't last nearly as long. A Covid test came back negative on the second bout, but it was positive last year.
I have read that the vaccinations cause particularly strong reactions to people who have already had the virus because the immune system immediately attacks the area of the injection.
In any case, i've read studies from Israel and Cambridge England which indicate natural immunity is significantly better than vaccine immunity.
For example the mRNA vaccines do not enter the nucleus of the cell so they cannot change your DNA, mRNA technology wasn’t rushed, it’s been under development for more than 20 years, and it is safe and effective.
Well I know that they've been using mRNA to manipulate the genes of various animals as in getting lab rats to glow with the jellyfish gene, but I have not been aware they have been doing anything with humans regarding it. Human tissue perhaps, but on actual people?
I'll look at your link.
DiogenesLamp wrote: “I have read that the vaccinations cause particularly strong reactions to people who have already had the virus because the immune system immediately attacks the area of the injection.”
You can find lots of speculation.
DiogenesLamp wrote: “In any case, i’ve read studies from Israel and Cambridge England which indicate natural immunity is significantly better than vaccine immunity.”
From what I’ve read ‘natural immunity’ is better than vaccine immunity. But, I’ve also read that ‘natural immunity’ plus the vaccine is best of all.
+1.
Big Pharma is obviously going to make Big Money since Covid, like flu will need annual type vaccine efforts. I started thinking about the failure to find an AIDS vaccine (something Fauci has been involved with). I think that an AIDS vaccine might be a long period one like polio, mumps and measles. Therefore, is it possible that Big Pharma has decided they make a lot more money with multiple drug treatment for the lifetime of the AIDS patient than they would from an effective vaccine? Anyone have more information related to this?
There are already successful treatments for covid, which utilize already FDA approved and cheaper medications,
that the NIH/CDC/FDA haven't even investigated.
These medications are not yet approved for "off label" usage for covid, nor are there any funded studies.
Who funds the studies and reasearch: NIH/ FDA/ Fauxxi
To my mind, the lack of study research in these alternative medications is purposeful and intentional,
in order to keep "the jab" under UEA (Under Emergency Authorization), and thus provide The Big Pharma Cartel with a big pay-out.
Notice that the covid drug Cormidity (Pfizer) has liability, but won't be available in the US until 2023.
Notice that the covid drug ("the jab")(by Pfizer & Moderna)) indemnifies from liability and is only approved (UEA) since there is no other approved covid medication.
Nor is there any rush to approve an alternative medication protocol.
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