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Initial Reaction To Charles Murray's "Facing Reality"
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 21 Aug, 2021 | Francis Menton

Posted on 08/22/2021 4:38:32 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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1 posted on 08/22/2021 4:38:32 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

There may not be 56 genders, but there are more than 56 ways to be successful in our society. Violence and crime are not on the list. Why not teach that in school instead of the CRT hate lessons?


2 posted on 08/22/2021 4:40:24 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

The only “solution” that comes to mind is too terrible to contemplate.

But in the meantime, I think bending over backwards to constantly declare that all aspects of black culture are good, and admirable, and praiseworthy is perhaps not advisable.

Likewise, making a big effort to reject white western civilization and declaring it to the root of all of our problem is also not advisable.

We cannot really change people. But we can focus on aspects of culture which lead to success and not failure.


3 posted on 08/22/2021 4:50:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We have two Democrat parties. 50% of the US population has no political representation.)
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To: MtnClimber

Already read it.

The facts are irrefutable, but when did politics rely on facts?

The country has already been led down the garden path. Return to the principles of its’ founding will engender violence from the privileged minorities we sought in vain to help. Can we (will we) face up to it?


4 posted on 08/22/2021 5:06:32 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan (Eleutheromaniac)
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To: MtnClimber

Read the book when it came out. No sugar-coating. Surprised this guy has survived at Harvard.


5 posted on 08/22/2021 5:07:49 AM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: MtnClimber

It will likely end up being forced down the crapper hole the exact same way “The Bell Curve” was years ago.


6 posted on 08/22/2021 5:36:14 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (Pray for America....)
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To: MtnClimber

Bkmrk


7 posted on 08/22/2021 6:09:01 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: lgjhn23

I highly recommend his book “coming apart”.


8 posted on 08/22/2021 6:13:25 AM PDT by teevolt
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To: MtnClimber

The gospel of Christ and the working mother-father home are the only hope for each family. Everything else is just witchcraft.


9 posted on 08/22/2021 6:21:29 AM PDT by lurk ( )
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To: MtnClimber

Murray is wrong. It is not “race” it is culture, and the culture that produces so much crime is not embraced or supported all “blacks”. It is not “race” but culture - the culture of out-of-wedlock births and single-parent unmarried female-head-of-household from which both crime and low education achievements arise. AND that culture is not a culture embraced by all “blacks”.

The great Conservative economist, Thomas Sowell, studied education achievement in the segregated schools of Washington D.C. in the 1950s. The 1950s was also a time before the “great leap” in out-of-wedlock births and unmarried single-parent female-head-of-household situations. His study was to pose a question as to whether or not “integrated” schools were a prerequisite for “black” academic achievement. What Sowell found was that in the 1950s, in the segregated schools in Washington D.C., “blacks” had academic achievement levels above the national average.

What changed from the 1950s is not about “race”. It was about culture.

Chicago had the same change from the 1950s to the 1960s. In the 1950s Chicago had a thriving middle class “black” community, with solid families, two-parent households on average, fathers and mothers in every profession, and a strong local business community. Then in the 1960s came the single-male poorly educated young “black” men pouring into northern cities looking for work and not always finding it.

THEN you got the ghettos and a lot of the solid middle class “blacks” moved out.

It is not “race”. It is culture. It comes not from your genes but from how you are raised, what you are taught, and what your upbringing gives, or fails to give, to your character.


10 posted on 08/22/2021 7:19:15 AM PDT by Wuli (Biden )
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To: MtnClimber

Pretty much. But Murray did this in the “Bell Curve,” offering no solutions-—cuz probably there aren’t any.


11 posted on 08/22/2021 7:26:31 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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To: ClearCase_guy

Ultimately, you cannot find one black-run city in any country, nor any major country, regardless of how long it has been independent, that is anywhere close to being well-run.


12 posted on 08/22/2021 7:29:16 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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To: Wuli

The most damning of Murray’s stats that contradict your position is that of many studies of identical twins, raised by totally different families.

No difference in cognitive ability.


13 posted on 08/22/2021 7:30:30 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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To: LS

“cognitive ability” is a low level measure.

It does not predict character or values and with character and values comes the different degrees of dedication or sloth, diligence or carelessness, ect., ect., ect., ect. and all the qualities, regardless of “cognitive ability” that help make the individual as successful as possible. Those qualities don’t come with nor are denied by “cognitive ability”. They arise from culture, from the family outward.

The term as “successful as possible” does not pretend everyone can be a “top” whatever. It means rising to the best that is possible for the individual and it requires the individual applying the dedication and diligence to do that.


14 posted on 08/22/2021 7:44:45 AM PDT by Wuli (Biden )
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To: MtnClimber
I think I have read claims that the measured cognitive ability of blacks in the U.S. has risen in the last half century and reduced the gap with whites by about 25%.

This calls into question whether or not cognitive ability of a large population is immutable.

15 posted on 08/22/2021 9:04:32 AM PDT by William Tell
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I think much of the African low IQ problem is attributed to tribal inbreeding and childhood malnutrition. Those issues should cease to exist in the USA.


16 posted on 08/22/2021 9:07:47 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

The beasts, they hunger, and eat, and die;
And so do we, and the world ‘s a sty;
Hush, fellow-swine: why nuzzle and cry?
Swinehood hath no remedy

— Sidney Lanier,


17 posted on 08/22/2021 9:13:11 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: MtnClimber

The net effect of welfare is it allows women to breed with exciting, violent thugs, instead of boring guys with decent jobs

Group IQ of that segment of society will continue to decline as long as that remains true.


18 posted on 08/22/2021 9:17:30 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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19 posted on 08/22/2021 9:19:35 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Sirius Lee

Ben Carson - brain surgeon, and one of only 3,700 in the whole country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson

His culture is what he got from the way he was raised.


20 posted on 08/22/2021 9:26:40 AM PDT by Wuli (Biden )
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