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Wait, That’s the Risk of Symptomatic Infection That Has the CDC So Worried?
National Review ^ | 7-30-2021 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 07/30/2021 12:24:20 PM PDT by absalom01

From this morning’s Washington Post story about the internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention slide presentation that has a lot of people freaked out: “Another estimates that there are 35,000 symptomatic infections per week among 162 million vaccinated Americans.”

That comes out to 1 out of every 4,628.57 people. I like those odds!

I’m sure someone would say “yes, but that’s per week, meaning you face the same risk the next week!” Okay, so every week, I face a new metaphorical lottery of being that one person out of 4,628 or so who has a symptomatic breakthrough infection. I can live with that, and you can, too. Yes, it will stink to feel sick for a couple of days, but symptomatic breakthrough infection almost never results in hospitalization or death.

People accept that much higher level of risk all the time. The chances of dying in a car crash are roughly one in 107, and the average person is involved in three motor vehicle accidents in their lifetime. If someone told you they refused to ever get into a motor vehicle because the odds of dying in an accident were too high, you would urge them to get counseling for runaway anxiety.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: ccpvirus; covid19; deltavariant; dsj03; karen; vaccination
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Some common sense from NR of all places
1 posted on 07/30/2021 12:24:20 PM PDT by absalom01
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To: absalom01

Isn’t the Indian variant already peaking?


2 posted on 07/30/2021 12:27:32 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Critical Marx Theory is The SOLUTION....)
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To: absalom01

0ne in 107 chances of dying in a car wreck are not right... perhaps the chances in being in a car wreck would seem slim... since so many are driving.


3 posted on 07/30/2021 12:27:58 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something)
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To: absalom01

I pray the vaccinated live long, healthy lives, but there are a lot of studies coming out showing the problems being exacerbated by the vaccine. So, yeah, you might not die from COVID, but your body is literally attacking itself because an mRNA experiment is being foisted on a substantial portion of the global populace.


4 posted on 07/30/2021 12:32:29 PM PDT by rarestia (Repeal the 17th Amendment and ratify Article the First to give the power back to the people!)
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To: teeman8r

The way I read that was that out of every 107 reported car crashes, there would be a single fatality.

No idea if that’s accurate or not.


5 posted on 07/30/2021 12:32:35 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: absalom01

Not sure about the numbers, but they have installed a lot of roundabouts in our area over the last decade, and the word is there are more crashes but less injuries.

So more work for the body shops, less for the hospitals.


6 posted on 07/30/2021 12:35:53 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: rarestia

While I don’t find that particular line of reasoning compelling, especially for older people, it is important to have a public discussion of relative risk, and to respect individual decisions.

The push by the ruling Junta to force compliance in all things has to be resisted by everyone, regardless of their personal decision regarding the ‘rona vax.


7 posted on 07/30/2021 12:35:55 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: absalom01

The Delta / India variant appears to simply be Mother Nature’s all-natural vaccine for the anti-vaxxer crowd. IMO, the faster and further it spreads, the sooner we get to herd immunity.

Oh noes! People might get a bad cold! Duct tape pampers on your face! /s


8 posted on 07/30/2021 12:36:38 PM PDT by Mr. Rabbit
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To: absalom01; All
More media hype: Vaccinated Americans

This is Not a Vaccine.

The jab of mRNA (synthesized strand of genetic material) is a package in a nano lipid or fat envelope delivered to a cell. It’s a medical device designed to stimulate a cell into becoming a pathogen creator by creating the known to be harmful S-1 spike protein.

Vaccine is a defined term in law and under CDC and FDA standards. A vaccine has to stimulate an immunity in the person receiving it. And it must also disrupt transmission. That’s not what this is. Even the drug manufacturers admit the jab or its mRNA does not stop transmission.

The jab is a treatment, but if it’s discussed as a treatment it would not get the sympathetic ear of public health officials because people would ask what other treatments there are. And alternative treatments would hamper FDA’s ability to issue emergency approval of the jabs as a vaccine.

Defining the narrative with the term vaccine is a sucker punch to open and free discourse. “Vaccine” throws the discussion into one of pro/con vaccine. The jab is a mechanical device (a bio-weapon) in the form of a very small packet of technology inserted into the human system to activate the cell to become a pathogenetic spike protein manufacturing site.

No basis exists to stipulate this is a vaccine. Simply put, this is a chemical pathogen device meant to unleash chemical pathogen production within a cell. It’s a medical device, not a drug. The jab is not a living or biological system, but rather a physical technology that just happens to come in the size of a molecular package.

Stated Objective

As to why the vaccine hype, the most important quote of this SARS-CoV-2 pandemic is a quote made in 2015 by Peter Daszak, head of Eco-Health Alliance and long-time collaborator with Dr. Fauci and NIAID on gain of function research.

In 2015, Duszak said,

“We need to increase public understanding of the need for medical countermeasures such as a pan-coronavirus vaccine. A key driver is the media, and the economics will follow the hype. We need to use that hype to our advantage, to get to the real issues. Investors will respond if they see profit at the end of the process.”

See Forum on Medical and Public Health Preparedness for Catastrophic Events; Forum on Drug Discovery, Development, and Translation; Forum on Microbial Threats; Board on Health Sciences Policy; Board on Global Health; Institute of Medicine; National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. Rapid Medical Countermeasure Response to Infectious Diseases: Enabling Sustainable Capabilities Through Ongoing Public- and Private-Sector Partnerships: Workshop Summary. Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 2016 Feb 12. 6, Developing MCMs for Coronaviruses.

It’s not hard to figure that SARS-CoV-2 was not a public health crisis. This was an opportunistic marketing campaign to address a stated objective. And it’s the easiest thing to describe because they are the ones that said it. And the Occam’s Razor reality is they've said they needed to get the public to accept a pan-coronavirus vaccine countermeasure. And they needed the media to create the hype and investors would follow where they see profit.

When I see a person wearing a ski mask, waving a gun, and standing with a bag of money in front of a bank; I will make the assumption that that person might be a bank robber.

Similarly, if I have somebody who says we need to use the media to hype a medical countermeasure which is in fact the injection of a synthetic, recombinant chimeric protein developed off of a computer simulation, I’m actually going to listen to the motivation for why that might be being done; I will listen to the person doing the manipulation who says investors will follow where they see profit.

You do not have anything else you need to rely on to explain the events of the last 20 months than the actual statement of the actual perpetrators.

Masks

Through April 2020, the official recommendation by the Journal of the American Medical Association was was unambiguous:

“Face masks should not be worn by healthy individuals to protect themselves from acquiring respiratory infection because there is no evidence to suggest that face masks worn by healthy individuals are effective in preventing people from becoming ill.”

Part of that lack of evidence in fact showed that cloth facemasks actually increased influenza-linked illness.

In contravention to established science, States, municipalities and businesses have violated the legal requirements for the promulgation of medical counter measures during a public health emergency stating a “belief” that face masks limit the spread of SARS CoV-2. To date, not a single study has confirmed that a mask prevented the transmission of, or the infection by SARS CoV-2. Simply stated, a "belief" is not a medical countermeasure.

All parties mandating the use of facemasks are not only willfully ignoring established science but are engaging in what amounts to a whole population clinical trial. This conclusion is reached by the fact that facemask use and COVID-19 incidence are being reported in scientific opinion pieces promoted by the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and others.

Social Distancing

Social distancing of up to 6 feet has been promoted as a means of preventing person-to-person transmission of influenza-like viruses. While one study (Werner E. Bischoff, Katrina Swett, Iris Leng, Timothy R. Peters, Exposure to Influenza Virus Aerosols During Routine Patient Care, The Journal of Infectious Diseases, Volume 207, Issue 7, 1 April 2013, Pages 1037-1046,) hypothesized that infection could happen in a 6 foot range, the study explicitly states that person-to-person transfer was not tested and viability of the virus at 6 feet was not even a subject of the investigation.

That did not stop the misrepresentation of the study to be used as the basis for an unverified medical counter measure of social distancing. To date, no study has established the efficacy of social distancing to modify the transmission of SARS CoV-2. Public health officials have merely referenced this article.

In contravention to established science, States, municipalities and businesses have violated the legal requirements for the promulgation of medical counter measures during a public health emergency stating a “belief” that social distancing of a healthy population limits the spread of SARS CoV-2. To date, not a single study has confirmed that social distancing of any population prevented the transmission of, or the infection by SARS CoV-2.

FTC Act

It is unlawful under the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 41 et seq., to advertise that a product or service can prevent, treat, or cure human disease unless you possess competent and reliable scientific evidence, including, when appropriate, well-controlled human clinical studies, substantiating that the claims are true at the time they are made. As a result, every party promoting the use of face masks is violating the FTC Act.

Further, under 21 CFR § 50.24 et seq., it is unlawful to conduct medical research (even in the case of emergency) without a series of steps taken to:

a. Establish the research with a duly authorized and independent institutional review board;

b. Secure informed consent of all participants including a statement of risks and benefits; and,

c. Engage in consultation with the community in which the study is to be conducted.

All of these laws have been broken. All relevant authorities in the United States must cease and desist the use of face masks until the matters above are rectified.

Establishment Clause

The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Forcing someone to "believe" that a thing might work not based on facts but based on a belief alone is tantamount to a religion and is prohibited without limitation. Not even the Supreme Court's seminal decision on vaccines, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), alters this fact.

Reason and an ordered society demand the current wall of bravo sierra regarding SARS-CoV-2 be challenged and torn down down brick by brick.

Novel Variant

According the CDC,

To tell which variant might might be present in a specimen, scientists must perform whole genome sequencing (WGS) on that specimen. At this time, WGS is available for surveillance purposes only, not for individual diagnostic purposes.

Whole genome sequencing (WGS) described by CDC does not establish the genome sequence of the "delta variant" is novel from COVID-19.

There is no evidence that the delta variant is somehow distinct from anything else on GISAID. The fact that we are now looking for a thing/variant doesn’t mean that it is a thing/variant because we are looking at fragments of a strand of genetic material and the fact is that we can choose any fragment in the genome sequence and call it a thing/variant.

For example, I could come up with "omega variant" tomorrow and I could say I’m looking for this sub-strand of either DNA or mRNA, or even a protein, and I could run around the world saying “fear the omega variant.”

The problem is because of the nature of the way in which we currently sequence genomes, which is actually a compositing process – it’s what we can call in mathematics an interleaving – we don’t have any point of reference to actually to know whether or not the thing we’re looking at is in fact distinct from either clinical or even genomic sense.

And so we’re trapped in a world where unfortunately if you go and look at the papers that isolated the delta variant and actually asked the question is the delta variant anything other than a selection of a sequence in a systematic shift of an already disclosed other sequence, the answer is it’s just an alteration and when you start and stop what you call the reading frame. There is no evidence of any novel anything.

9 posted on 07/30/2021 12:37:52 PM PDT by Ahithophel (Communication is an art form susceptible to sudden technical failure)
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To: Ahithophel

Knock it off with the spamming!


10 posted on 07/30/2021 12:38:51 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Ahithophel

Thank you for the informative post. Yours was better than the post you replied to.


11 posted on 07/30/2021 12:51:59 PM PDT by exnavy (grow some thick skin, i do not care for whiners)
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To: rarestia

I am simply saddened for the vaxxed. I know those personally who have the jab. One is better off using the tried and true prophylactics to counter the effects of Covid. There is no true vaccination.


12 posted on 07/30/2021 1:13:29 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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Knock it off with the spamming!

Sure thing, boss!

Did you notice what some call spam (reply no. 10), others read and say, "Thank you for the informative post. Yours was better than the post you replied to." (reply no. 11) Let me repeat that: "Better than the post [to which I] replied" - pretty cool!

13 posted on 07/30/2021 1:13:31 PM PDT by Ahithophel (Communication is an art form susceptible to sudden technical failure)
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To: absalom01
The thing is that because of way better air quality, way less smoking, better sanitation, and importantly a high vaccination rate, the Delta and Delta Plus variants may actually make less people sick in the USA than the earlier variants compared to China and India.
14 posted on 07/30/2021 1:31:15 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: Mr. Rabbit
Well, what I thought that this author articulated well is that putting aside the severity of the cases (which, as you point out, appears to be diminished when compared to the OG version of this crud), on a risk analysis basis we take much greater risks every day of the week just going about our lives.

The constant fear-mongering that the CDC is engaged in should now be obvious even to the average low-information Democrat voter.

15 posted on 07/30/2021 2:33:48 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: absalom01

If only they applied that common sense last year and all this crap would have never happened


16 posted on 07/30/2021 2:37:11 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Admin Moderator

If you think that is spamming maybe you should not be a moderator. That was an intelligent post.


17 posted on 07/30/2021 2:40:58 PM PDT by RainMan (Democrats ... making war against America since April 12, 1861)
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To: Ahithophel
It would be extremely surprising if a coronavirus didn't mutate.
18 posted on 07/30/2021 2:52:39 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Ahithophel

I wonder which of our uncredentialed/undocumented internet ‘doctors’ hit the abuse button to call down the mods? I haven’t taken note to which of those is carrying the day shift today. What you have been posting is likely the most unvarnished truth that gets posted to these threads. SPAM???


19 posted on 07/30/2021 2:58:21 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (When everyone is an expert, no one is.)
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Thanks. All enemies foreign and domestic are watch words on FR as well, it appears. The post is factual, sourced, and laser focused. And it disrupts the tyrannical narrative so it must be spam, obviously. /s


20 posted on 07/30/2021 3:08:22 PM PDT by Ahithophel (Communication is an art form susceptible to sudden technical failure)
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