Restoring Trump may start with decertifying one "elected" 2020 U.S. Senator

A more likely scenario would be Roberts writing an opinion that it was up to CONGRESS (not the VP) to send the certifications back to the states.

That ruling would be more legally sound, but I'm not even sure if that's the correct ruling. If it were up to me, I'd simply note that the 12th Amendment and the related Federal law in place right now give Congress the authority to address the substance of the fraud allegations right there on the spot at the January 6th certification. Congress would then have the option of certifying Biden's electors, certifying Trump's electors, or certifying NO electors from a state that couldn't get its act together and submit valid electors.

I would also point out that Congress can only do these things if they have received notice of multiple slates of electors from the December 14th Electoral College certification process. Absent that, Congress has very little reason to "fix" a fraudulent set of electors from a state. The fraud should have been addressed, or at least recognized and documented by the State where it occurred, before the Electoral College vote.

Actual Constitutional experts say Pence DID have that authority, up until January 20.

Please name them. I'll bet every one of them was a political partisan and/or a paid expert for the Trump campaign.

They'd come out and say the exact opposite if anyone suggested that VP Joe Biden could have done the same thing in January 2017.

The fraud should have been addressed, or at least recognized and documented by the State where it occurred, before the Electoral College vote.

What do you when the fraud is committed by the very officials charged with overseeing the election?

We're not talking about the occasional invalid voter roll entry or the person who voted in a home state and vacation state.

We're talking about election officials who 1) kicked out Republican observers, 2) said that counting stopped for the night but then kept on counting after everyone else went home, 3) blocked forensic reviews of the machines and ballots, 4) used their authority to stall attempts to review videos of officials running stacks of ballots through counting machines multiple times, 5) coordinated with officials in other states on the release of vote counts in the middle of the night, and 6) denied all of this until after the safe harbor date had passed.

-PJ

A more likely scenario would be Roberts writing an opinion that it was up to CONGRESS (not the VP) to send the certifications back to the states.

Well Roberts certainly doesn't think it's his responsibility to guarantee a Republican form of government like it says in the Constitution. We should expect that he will continue to obstruct that Prime Directive. In fact, the V.P. and Congress BOTH had that duty, and either could have raised the issue of the overwhelming election fraud.

If it were up to me, I'd simply note that the 12th Amendment and the related Federal law in place right now give Congress the authority to address the substance of the fraud allegations right there on the spot at the January 6th certification. Congress would then have the option of certifying Biden's electors, certifying Trump's electors, or certifying NO electors from a state that couldn't get its act together and submit valid electors.

It's the kind of political question that SCOTUS usually doesn't like to handle. The most practical option was to kick it back to the state legislatures to ratify or reject the governors' certifications. That needed to have been done ASAP. Thus Pence needed to have done that quickly.

I would also point out that Congress can only do these things if they have received notice of multiple slates of electors from the December 14th Electoral College certification process. Absent that, Congress has very little reason to "fix" a fraudulent set of electors from a state. The fraud should have been addressed, or at least recognized and documented by the State where it occurred, before the Electoral College vote.

Returning to my original point, Congress has the power to subpoena the ballots for the Congressional elections. In certain key states, the Senate elections were also likely affected by the fraud as well, AZ, GA, and MI come to mind. Yet, the issue of the fraud in those races was not raised in the Senate. It's strange. If Congress were to obtain those ballots, it would show any fraud in the presidential race as well. Congress also has the right to audit those those ballots.

It's the second explanation: the fix was in, and it is bipartisan. The RINOs encouraged the Dems to steal the election, and enough Senate seats to control spending bills, to get rid of Trump. So, now the Dems are looting the U.S. treasury to reward their shrinking political base. The RINOs thought that the rank and file Republicans would send them money in a panic for the midterms, while ignoring their complicity in the steal.

That is just too wacky. I'm not sure who these RINOs you are talking about are, but Georgia conducted the elections poorly and Republican officials in the state didn't want to admit it and look like incompetents. I gather there was some participation by Stacey Abrams in the registration process and the Democrats got the better of it, but that doesn't mean that Georgia Republicans threw the election and lost the Senate just to get rid of Trump.

The other thing is that a lot of Republicans were so disgusted with Loeffler and Perdue that they didn't vote. Some Trump voters listened to the wacky theories of Lin Wood and Sidney Powell and sat out the run-off. Had they kept quiet or encouraged Georgians to vote the results may have been different. Were Wood and Powell (and Trump) also working with the Democrats?

I find that the Georgia runoff elections, both what led to their being runoff elections at all and then having them basically handed to the Democrats by Republicans not voting to be the most discouraging event of the entire 2020 election. Republicans lost the Senate which gives the Dems power to do ANYTHING they want to this country. How could we be so stupid.

I know that someone will reply that it would not have made any difference how many Republicans voted because the Dems would cheat their way to a win. Perhaps so, but we should have at least made it as difficult as possible instead of just tossing them a win.

That is just too wacky.

And this isn't?
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I'm not sure who these RINOs you are talking about are, but Georgia conducted the elections poorly and Republican officials in the state didn't want to admit it and look like incompetents.

You don't know who Gov. Kemp, AG Chris Carr, SoS Raffensperger, his deputy Gabriel Sterling, are? They've been in all the news for doing nothing about the rigged election.

Were Wood and Powell (and Trump) also working with the Democrats

No. With RINOs like Kemp, Carr, Raffensperger, and Sterling, working to rig the election, why would they need anyone else?

There was something else going on in Georgia.

Check out the charts and tables in this article: EXPLOSIVE REPORT! WE CAUGHT THEM AGAIN: New Findings Show Coordination and Collusion Between PA and GA in 2020 Election Steal

It heavily suggests that people in George and Pennsylvania were coordinating the release of the suspicious midnight ballot drop counts that swung both states from President Trump to Biden.

Why would they do that unless there were a national plan being executed?

-PJ

They weren't rigging the election. They were covering up for a poorly run, badly supervised election. They didn't want to admit that they and the state had become a disgrace or a joke.

And even if they wanted Trump to lose, they weren't going to tank their two senators to do it. The two Republican senators were their voice in Washington. They weren't going to get anything out of Warnock and Ossoff.

Use your head. Perdue and Loeffler lost because Republicans didn't like them, and because voters wanted to go on getting the stimulus checks.

They weren't rigging the election. They were covering up for a poorly run, badly supervised election. They didn't want to admit that they and the state had become a disgrace or a joke.

So, the Dems rigged the election, and the GA Republican leaders refused to prosecute anyone, even with Ruby on video taking out the hidden fake ballots from under the table after everyone else left due to the fake burst water main, and then they threatened legislators pushing for an audit and decertifcation before Jan. 6th. Knowing that, we should believe the steal wasn't bipartisan? C'mon man!

And even if they wanted Trump to lose, they weren't going to tank their two senators to do it. The two Republican senators were their voice in Washington. They weren't going to get anything out of Warnock and Ossoff.

And you know this how? Does it occur to you that Kemp, Raffensperger, or Carr want that Senate seat for themselves and throwing the election was a great way to make that happen? There was big, big money behind the steal and these people got more of that money than they could get from Trump. Party leader do throw elections to maintain their power base. They'll do it every time.

Use your head. Perdue and Loeffler lost because Republicans didn't like them, and because voters wanted to go on getting the stimulus checks.

Perdue wasn't as popular as Trump, but he still won on Election Day. People in GA didn't vote for the Dems. Loeffler may not have gotten as many votes as Collins. When the audit gets done in GA, we will know more on that point.

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