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Ted Cruz Is Strongly Considering Humiliating Himself Again
Vice ^ | 7/2/21 | Paul Blest

Posted on 07/19/2021 6:59:15 AM PDT by conservative98

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To: lonestar67

Courts have rule incorrectly, like they frequently do.

Until such time as the Supreme Court rules incorrectly, Cubanadians are not natural born citizens any more than Anwar al-Awlaki’s kids born in Yemen to one citizen parent are.


61 posted on 07/19/2021 9:45:53 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: dead

I only heard Trump imply that Ted’s dad knew the guy who killed Kennedy, and that seems to be true.
There is a photo.


62 posted on 07/19/2021 9:48:10 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
There was a picture in the National Enquirer of Oswald and a guy who looked like Cruz's father. Together in a crowd of people. Trump brought it up to imply that Cruz's father may have had a hand in the assassination. It was pretty idiotic. A picture of two people does not indicate that one of them was involved in the atrocities the other may have committed as some point later in life.


63 posted on 07/19/2021 9:56:35 AM PDT by dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vFiUUcBkc)
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To: conservative98
"Ted Cruz Is Strongly Considering Humiliating Himself Again.

Humiliating Himself..?? Listen, compared to Biden, Ted is a patriot, a hero and a real CHAMPION among men..

I personally will not hack on any Republican (Romney being the exception) while that rat-fink sits in the white..... :(

64 posted on 07/19/2021 10:00:13 AM PDT by unread (Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire)
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To: conservative98

Lets see here. A liberal troll at Vice posts a hit piece on Ted Cruz.

And knee jerking FReepers lap it up.


65 posted on 07/19/2021 2:13:39 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I love my country. It's my government that I hate.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

It is an outrageous comparison.

Awlaki hated the United States and was involved in violent terrorist attacks.
Ted Cruz is an American who defends the Constitution and served in numerous government roles to protect our nation. This includes winning five Supreme Court cases defending our freedom.

The Cruz hate is one of the dumbest things I see on FR.


66 posted on 07/19/2021 2:47:11 PM PDT by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: lonestar67

They are eligible if he is.

The founders excluded foreigners, including the children of foreigners, who are born with the foreign nationality of their foreign parent(s), from being President with the natural born citizen clause for very good reasons.

Ted Cruz’s fealty to the Constitution ends where his ambition starts.


67 posted on 07/19/2021 3:02:26 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: escapefromboston

https://www.thoughtco.com/can-canadian-ted-cruz-be-president-3322240


68 posted on 07/19/2021 3:08:22 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Lurkinanloomin

+1...although that no longer seems to matter.


69 posted on 07/19/2021 3:55:08 PM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: nfldgirl

It doesn’t to too many, but it still does to those of us who care about the Constitution.


70 posted on 07/19/2021 4:03:04 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Any number of individuals could be conferred eligible but your choice of violent anti Americans like alwaki is heinous.

The 1790 Congressional statute speaks precisely to his birth situation and finds him natural born. The Constitution does not say “born in the United States”— something that could easily be conveyed in the text. The 1790 law is clear.

Cruz can be President of United States.


71 posted on 07/19/2021 4:31:20 PM PDT by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: lonestar67

The 1790 law was repealed when they realized their error.
The 1795 replacement removed the natural born citizen language.

Laws cannot change the Constitution, only Amendments can.

And the language said about the foreign born children of Americans,”shall be considered as natural born citizens”, clearly indicating that they are not.


72 posted on 07/19/2021 4:36:27 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: lonestar67

The people advocating for the broadest possible interpretation that makes Awlaki’s kids eligible are the heinous ones.


73 posted on 07/19/2021 4:38:06 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Your view was considered before multiple federal courts as raised in multiple states.

New Jersey and Pennsylvania both lost this argument. No state won this absurd claim you continue to make. Here are useful expert pieces of evidence from both:

Natural born citizen

The Naturalization Act of 1790 explicitly said that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens.”

By the way, the 1795 revision does not provide a new definition of natural born citizen. Nor does it establish a basis of rejection implied by you.

RELATED: Sidney Allen Martin II (Sullivent Law Firm) has posted A Foreign Born Citizen is a Natural Born Citizen and Eligible to Be President: A Legalist View of the Constitution on SSRN. Here is the abstract:

A natural born citizen is a person who is a citizen at birth by virtue of birth under the laws in effect at the time of birth as enacted by Congress pursuant to its power to make a uniform rule of naturalization. Neither British common nor statutory law is determinative although the First Congress generally followed the example of Parliament in extending natural born citizenship to the children born to American citizens in foreign countries. Under existing law, Ted Cruz was a natural born citizen as the time of his birth in Canada and is eligible to be President.

Interestingly, this study rejects my reliance on British practice and concludes that “The plain meaning of [the relevant constitutional clauses] taken together is that a person to be eligible to be President must be born a citizen under the immigration law in effect at the time of his birth.”

ALSO: Another possibly related source from Seth Barrett Tillman:

William Alexander Duer, Outlines of the Constitutional Jurisprudence of the United States§ 652, at 168 (New York, Collins and Hannay 1833):
All persons born out of the jurisdiction of the United States, are terms Aliens; but there are some exceptions to this rule, derived from the ancient English law; as in the case of children of public Ministers born abroad, whose parent owed not even a local allegiance to the foreign power; and all children born abroad of English parents, were considered as natives of England, if the father went and continued abroad in the character of an English subject.” (emphasis added)).

Unlike the suits filed against Mr. Cruz in other states, the case in Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court resulted in a ruling on the underlying constitutional question. The judge, citing various legal scholars, agreed with Mr. Cruz that he’s eligible to run.

“Having extensively reviewed all articles cited in this opinion, as well as many others, this Court holds, consistent with the common law precedent and statutory history, that a ‘natural born citizen’ includes any person who is a United States citizen from birth,” wrote Judge Dan Pellegrini in a written opinion issued after denied the petition at a hearing Thursday.


74 posted on 07/19/2021 6:34:44 PM PDT by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: lonestar67

shall be considered as natural-born citizens.”
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Plainly indicating they are not.


75 posted on 07/19/2021 6:51:45 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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