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Texas Silencer Law, NFA, No Commandeering, Commerce Clause, Test Case
AmmoLand ^ | 7 July, 2021 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 07/11/2021 1:53:20 PM PDT by marktwain

U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- Texas recently passed HB 957 into law. It will become effective on 1 September, 2021. The law repeals the Texas state ban on the possession of silencers/suppressors/gun mufflers, puts into effect a “no commandeering clause” for federal enforcement of the National Firearms Act (NFA) for silencers, and sets up a federal test case of the NFA in federal court.

In a previous article, the repeal of the Texas law and the anti-commandeering section were discussed. The likely federal test case was not.

HB 957 came from the brain of Representative Oliverson of Texas District 130, north of Houston. Dr. Oliverson is not a lawyer.  This correspondent was able to talk to Representative Oliverson about how he formed the idea for the law.

Dr. Oliverson came up with the idea to reform suppressor law in Texas because he had purchased two suppressors. He personally experienced the bureaucratic insanity it takes to legally obtain a silencer/suppressor/gun muffler in the United States.

Representative Oliverson:

I had this idea, last session, and it was something I sort of came up with on my own. The basic idea was, you know, states obviously, in the last decade, I am aware, have in a variety of ways, pushed back against federal law that they thought was overreaching and unnecessary, by simply opting out, and just saying look, we are not invalidating federal law, but as far as the state is concerned, we do not recognize this in the same way that you do, and you cannot use our resources to enforce the law. If you want to enforce it, knock yourself out, but we are not helping you, and we are done.

The first thing Representative Oliverson noticed about states which enacted anti-commandeering laws

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Texas eliminates the state ban on silencers/suppressors/gun mufflers.

Texas makes it illegal for Texas officials to aid in the federal prosecution of people for possession of silencers.

Texas sets up a test case for the NFA.

1 posted on 07/11/2021 1:53:20 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The NFA test case is for silencers in the NFA.


2 posted on 07/11/2021 1:54:08 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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To: marktwain

No enumerated power for the NFA. It is in violation of the 10th Amendment.


3 posted on 07/11/2021 2:10:42 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: marktwain

Just a question. Does the law only apply to silencers made in-state and sold in-state? No interstate commerce?

I think that is the justification for legal marijuana: everything is in state.

Is that what this is about?


4 posted on 07/11/2021 2:11:35 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: packagingguy

Not a lawyer, but wasn’t that idea what Wickard v Filburn was all about. SCOTUS ruled that stuff that didn’t cross state lines could still affect interstate commerce and thus could be regulated by Congress.


5 posted on 07/11/2021 2:38:58 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: hanamizu

Other court cases have stated that sneezing could affect interstate commerce but that wasn’t what the interstate commerce clause was for.


6 posted on 07/11/2021 2:43:44 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: hanamizu
“Not a lawyer, but wasn't that idea what Wickard v Filburn was all about. SCOTUS ruled that stuff that didn't cross state lines could still affect interstate commerce and thus could be regulated by Congress.”

Yes, even intrastate sales of bubble bath is a federal issue.

Equal protection or some such. Anyway, they wanted control and, after the disaster at Appomattox, they took it.

7 posted on 07/11/2021 2:56:06 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: hanamizu

The Wickard v Filburn ruling was an atrocity. It gave Congress unlimited power to regulate everything in our lives.


8 posted on 07/11/2021 3:09:25 PM PDT by throwthebumsout
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To: packagingguy
Just a question. Does the law only apply to silencers made in-state and sold in-state? No interstate commerce?

I think that is the justification for legal marijuana: everything is in state.

Is that what this is about?

Partly. The test case seems to be to give the Supreme Court a chance to expand on the idea that the Commerce Clause does *not* give the federal government power over all commerce.

There have been four Supreme Court cases since 1994 which have trended in that direction.

Surprisingly, Obamacare was one of them.

This is in the article at AmmoLand.

9 posted on 07/11/2021 3:16:21 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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To: throwthebumsout

The Wickard v Filburn ruling was an atrocity.


I won’t argue with you. It’s amazing how judges take a word which has a specific definition, like say, ‘interstate’ and redefine it.

Or a phrase “...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” and say that ‘people’ means the state, and ‘not be infringed’ means ‘can be infringed whenever the government feels like it’.


10 posted on 07/11/2021 3:24:11 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: packagingguy; hanamizu
Just a question. Does the law only apply to silencers made in-state and sold in-state? No interstate commerce?

Yes. That's in the article. They also have to have "Made in Texas" stamped on them.

Not a lawyer, but wasn’t that idea what Wickard v Filburn was all about.

Correct, and you can bet the federal courts will strike down the state law if it gets challenged there, which will probably happen quickly. It's a fantasy to think this is somehow just like states refusing to enforce marijuana laws. The feds don't want to be in the weed suppression business anymore and those state laws give them cover to ignore the domestic weed business. But the Democrats are insanely opposed to the private ownership of guns and you can bet they'll rise to any challenge to their power to regulate it.

What would the ATF do if states began nullifying their power to regulate firearms? They don't chase bootleggers anymore. Hardly anyone smokes tobacco anymore. Congress had to give them explosive to regulate a few years back just so they would have enough to do.

Gun dealers in this country are some of the most strict observers of federal regulation of any merchant you're likely to meet. The feds keep such a close eye on them I doubt if any are going to violate a federal regulation just because the state says it won't use state resources to prosecute them. If you were a gun dealer would you bet your business and possible your freedom on something that weak. Texas dosn't say they will defend anyone arrested by the feds after all do they?

11 posted on 07/11/2021 3:43:17 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: CodeToad

Without that ruling, maybe Texas could make it illegal for liberals to move there.

Now THAT has an affect on the state.


12 posted on 07/11/2021 3:57:18 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: marktwain

Bkmk


13 posted on 07/11/2021 4:21:40 PM PDT by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: Celerity

Please, don’t tease!


14 posted on 07/11/2021 4:55:53 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: marktwain

Ping for later


15 posted on 07/11/2021 5:26:55 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: SeeSharp

Gun dealers in this country are some of the most strict observers of federal regulation of any merchant you’re likely to meet.
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Money quote, right there. I’ve worked with the ATF before. Agents I worked with were great and rather Pro-2A. Can’t speak for the higher ups who get political. Not once in my interactions were we ever going after a dirty gun dealer. Every case was based on drugs and the guys carrying guns.

With regards to the NFA, I have cans and SBRs. Stamps for all of them. All the NFA does is create an obstacle and make it a pain to buy the stuff.

And to think that the very same checks to get a firearm are the same checks one goes through to get an SBR or can, but with the added paperwork, additional $200 and the unnecessary wait.

https://www.quora.com/Which-European-country-allows-to-buy-a-gun-suppressor …… as strict as Europe is about guns, amazing how they treat cans

The NFA is such a tired and outdated law. Originally for full autos, the laziness of Congress allowed the ATF to creep. And the funniest thing is, it isnt hard to get the licenses to be able to get a full auto gun. Most anti-gun folks would have a massive stroke of they ever went to Knob Creek

Don’t know if you’re familiar with the Botkin family but the older brother does a phenomenal job taking apart the NFA, etc….

Everything You’re NOT Supposed to Know About Suppressors

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1VWcGwPJQfc


16 posted on 07/11/2021 5:51:26 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: CodeToad

Exactly, but they have to create an alliance with all the states in the southeast, Midwest and mountain states.

I’d hate for Texas to close their doors to liberals and have all of them move to Georgia. They make me sick.


17 posted on 07/11/2021 5:54:06 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: SeeSharp
Thank all of you all for the input on my question. However, as just an avid reader of the Constitution, it seems that then Wickard v Filburn ruling was not a good one, but it is precedent. I cannot see how application of this law is any different than marijuana laws in other states. With the Texas law you cannot legally cross state lines with your state-produced silencer. Fair enough. But one cannot go to Colorado, buy some weed, and take it back home to say, Nebraska. So the difference is puzzling, other than it is a political issue where the left are fine with people being lazy and stoned, but not with having a hearing device protection on a firearm. Again, thank you. It seems as though you know case law well.
18 posted on 07/11/2021 8:09:04 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: SeeSharp
If you were a gun dealer would you bet your business and possible your freedom on something that weak. Texas dosn't say they will defend anyone arrested by the feds after all do they?

Which has just about nothing to do with the challenge to federal law.

This law attacks the weak underbelly of the NFA, silencers.

Safety equipment which should never have been in the NFA.

Safety equipment even the BATF doesn't want in the NFA anymore.

Safety equipment there is no logical argument to treat as nuclear waste (to be overly dramatic).

Safety equipment that is easily made in home workshops.

19 posted on 07/12/2021 5:26:43 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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To: marktwain
Which has just about nothing to do with the challenge to federal law

Maybe it shouldn't, but clearly it does.

From the article:

In Kansas, an attempt was made to challenge the NFA law on silencers. Two people relied on that change and were convicted of federal felonies. The Kansas Attorney General defended the law, but the federal Court ruled the arrests were lawful under the federal taxing power.

20 posted on 07/12/2021 10:24:09 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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