Posted on 05/21/2021 7:33:31 AM PDT by CheshireTheCat
On this date in 1559, an auto de fe in Valladolid marked the onset of an Inquisition purge of nascent Lutheranism in Spain.
Now you’d expect to find the Spanish Inquisition policing spiritual disloyalties of the realm’s backsliding Jewish and Muslim conversos..
… but of course the Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition had a broad remit to defend orthodoxy and considering that Spain is still a predominantly Catholic country they’d be entitled to point at the scoreboard.
In 1558, it caught wind of an actual Lutheran movements, heretofore rarely seen on the peninsula — and as Joseph Perez notes, it alarmingly penetrated clerical and aristocratic circles. “A blast of hysteria struck Castile. Suspects filled the prisons, where there was soon no room for newcomers. Nor were there enough inquisitors to conduct the trials. Others had to be brought in from Cuenca and Murcia … It proved necessary to provide special protection for the detainees, to prevent them being lynched by the infuriated populace.”
A series of autos collectively comprising scores of defendants unfolded over 1559-1560, beginning in Valladolid — where the Lutheran cadre seemingly numbered close to 100 literate and influential souls....
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Rather like the 21st-century Inquisition to root out heretics who oppose the communist conquest of the USA!
Orthodoxy plus lack of separation of church and state does no good for the people and corrupts both the churches and the state.
I cannot see Yeshua backing the human institutions combining the faith with the power of the secular state. Such a backing would imply the backing of force to bring you to G-d, yet G-d repeatedly reminds you that you must come willingly to Him.
Soon to make a comeback at the hands of their descendants now running formerly Protestant - and free - America
There is always an oligarchy in place and it always controls both the government and church. At least the Spanish were open about who controlled the reins of power. Can’t say the same for the current oligarchs who control all major institutions in our society including the Church of Woke.
“There is always an oligarchy in place and it always controls both the government and church.”
Not true.
Uh...what? Orthodoxy...which means “right belief”....does no good?
And as far as Separation of Church and State goes that’s been a BS proposition ever since Jefferson penned it to the Dnbury Baptist Association. The depraved country you see before you right now is a direct consequence of that nonsense.
We can have a healthy debate about the degree to which the temporal and the spiritual worlds should relate to each other, and believe me I know the abuses that can come about even in an avowedly Christian state.
But anyone who doesn’t see that the near-total stripping of the Christian religion from the government has been a *total and abysmal failure* needs their head examined.
Horrors! Up to 100 souls were put in jail... To protect them! Sounds as bad as the Holocaust... Not!
The problem we have is that there has not been a stripping of “religion” from the power of the state.
The Left, using their ever faithful fellow travelers (Progressives and Liberals) has managed to establish the religion of secular humanism as the state religion. That can be opposed without making Christianity the state religion.
- To suspend habeas corpus during the Civil War
- To enter the Spanish American War (nothing to do with the mysterious explosion of The Maine)
- To enter the Vietnam "War" (nothing to do with something that never happened in the Gulf of Tonkin)
- To enter WWI (by choosing a president who promised not to go to war and instead shipped arms to Britain on cruise liners like the Lusitania)
- To enter the Iraq Fustercluck (based on talk of aluminum tubes provided by the CIA; an organization that has always had the best interests of the American Citizens at heart)
etc.
It was a Christian nation of many faiths that all decided that abortion was OK (even a sacrament), that gays could marry, and is now deciding just how much power psychologically disturbed individuals will have over us and our children via drag queen story hours, tranny bathrooms and sports participation, and the CRT nonsense that calls us all racists forever.
Yep, that all happened in a free democracy that was in no way controlled behind the scenes by corporate and academic elites who knew better how to run things than us unwashed masses.
Fascinating history. This led me to reading more about Auto-da-Fá around the world and cultural references in Wiki which then led me to rent “History of the World: Part 1” by Mel Brooks on Netflix.
“It was a Christian nation of many faiths that all decided that abortion was OK “
“ALL” decided. NOT true at all.
“WE” as a collective national “we” made no such decision. A majority on the SCOTUS made that decision, and as many legal minds think, contrary to the demands of the Constitution.
And BECAUSE we Conservatives still do have the powers we still do have, we have continued to oppose that decision and continue to make inroads against it.
Unlike you I do not belong to a collective national “we”.
Unlike you I no more take credit for abortion being legal than I do take guilt for slavery, which I would have opposed.
Can it? I very much doubt it can.
How do we do that? How can all our platitudes about "freedom" and "liberty" combat those who have ridden us right down the road to complete degeneracy on the coattails of freedom and liberty?
I'm sorry but I can't view the compromise our founders drew up in 1787 as anything but a "let's agree to disagree" at a time when each of the various colonies were controlled by various denominations. It was a matter of convenience, not a permanent prescription for good government. And I think that is partially proved by the fact that states had their *own* established churches right up until the 1830s.
IMHO America must *have an established Church*. And I'm saying this as a Catholic in a majority Protestant country. But I'd rather be ruled over by devout Lutherans than degenerates and Communists.
I read your profile:
“All conservatism is based upon the idea that if you leave things alone you leave them as they are. But you do not. If you leave a thing alone you leave it to a torrent of change.” - Gilbert K. Chesterton”
Chesterton spoke for himself. Some of his opinions about conservatism were erroneous and are not seminal to Conservatism. Conservatism does no believe that if you leave things alone you leave them as they are. Conservatism understands that if you do not protect things other forces will try to change them.
I am reading a book on Spanish/Portuguese Conversos. Many became followers of Erasmus and Luther either because they were not taught Catholic faith and practice after their baptism or they thought it a way to be outside of Judaism but not Catholic. Eleanor de Cisneros of this article is mentioned in the book.
“It was a matter of convenience, not a permanent prescription for good government. And I think that is partially proved by the fact that states had their *own* established churches right up until the 1830s.”
It was not a mere matter of convenience and your latter point is not a testament to your “convenience” but a demonstration of the practicality and profound necessity that the federal government could not participate in the establishment of any church. Church was to be left to the states and the people, and eventually the states themselves got out of the church business also.
BUT none of that is a matter of taking religion out of the people, or denying religious freedom either, or denying religion informing the values of persons elected to represent them in government.
And while Jefferson penned the famous separation of church and state line, he also was a founder of the university of Virginia which upon its founding included a school of divinity.
This is just as true in Protestant principalities, whose newly "reformed" rulers promptly looted Church property and persecuted Catholics, whether in the Magisterial Reformation in Germany or Henry VIII's England.
Yes, Europe had its period of religious wars and inquisitions.
We thought we left that behind when we did not give the federal government powers to establish a national church.
The current attempt to impose “tolerance” of abortion, acceptance of transgender ideology and racist “anti-racism” are making a mockery of the First Amendment.
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