[DiogenesLamp]

They left before Lincoln was inaugurated. No negotiations.

No one has to "negotiate" regarding a fundamental right recognized by the founding document of the nation. The negotiations were about the disposition of the property and debt. Independence was right, and it didn't need anyone's permission.

[DoodleDawg]

No one has to "negotiate" regarding a fundamental right recognized by the founding document of the nation

These would be the same fundamental rights you claimed Lincoln refused to negotiate on in your reply 102?

The negotiations were about the disposition of the property and debt.

There were no offers to negotiate. The South just walked out.

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "No one has to "negotiate" regarding a fundamental right recognized by the founding document of the nation.
The negotiations were about the disposition of the property and debt.
Independence was right, and it didn't need anyone's permission."

Our Founders never recognized an unlimited "right of Independence", except under two very specific conditions:

1. By necessity as, "...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism..."

2. By mutual consent as in the 1788 replacement of the old Articles of Confederation with their new Constitution.

Neither condition existed in 1860.
So our Founders would easily recognize 1861 declarations of secession & war as acts of insurrection, rebellion, "domestic violence", invasion and treason, all of which our Founders firmly opposed in their 1787 Constitution.