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April 12, 1861: The Civil War Begins
Fold3 ^ | April 1, 2021 | Jenny Ashcraft

Posted on 04/02/2021 9:04:55 AM PDT by gattaca

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To: eyedigress

So the states can form their own Air Force and Marine Corp because neither of these is mentioned in the Constitution.


61 posted on 04/02/2021 3:52:06 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: eyedigress

Your beloved Confederacy was a Socialst tyrany that oppressed it’s member states. It needed to die, and Sherman did the job, but not soon enough.


62 posted on 04/02/2021 3:52:15 PM PDT by cowboyusa (America Cowboy up!)
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To: Bull Snipe

South Carolina left the union.

They told DC to get off their land.


63 posted on 04/02/2021 3:53:17 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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To: cowboyusa

This is a political argument.


64 posted on 04/02/2021 3:54:11 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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To: Bull Snipe

DC can do it via the militia of the states that belong.


65 posted on 04/02/2021 3:57:35 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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To: FLT-bird
I think war for Southern Independence more fitting.

Not really since independence wasn't in the cards for about one-third the population. Rebellion is defined as " open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government". That's a very accurate description of the Southern attempt.

66 posted on 04/02/2021 3:57:49 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Pelham
“Once in, always in”, an early and American version of the Brezhnev Doctrine.

Hardly.

Probably not a coincidence that OG commie Karl Marx was an ardent supporter of the 1860 episode.

You really expected him to support a revolution meant in no small part to preserve slavery? Really?

67 posted on 04/02/2021 3:59:10 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: cowboyusa

I do not disagree that conditions in the south were wrong,

but I do disagree with the perception that DC had the authority to force states to stay in the union.


68 posted on 04/02/2021 4:00:56 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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To: eyedigress
Tell me why the Supreme Court did not take up any case when South Carolina ceded from the union?

Well there was an armed rebellion going on. But in several cases over the course of the war the Supreme Court did identify the southern actions as a rebellion. And of course after the war there was the Texas v. White decision.

69 posted on 04/02/2021 4:01:06 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: eyedigress
No. The states in the south did succeed from the union.

The US Constitution had no provision for that, therefore it was left to the states to do just that if they wished.

So you're saying that the Constitution allows a state or states to use it to punish or harm the interests of the other states? I'd love to see you quote where.

The “War of Northern Aggression” is the applicable term.

LOL! I'll bet you call World War II the 'War of Polish Aggression' too.

70 posted on 04/02/2021 4:03:45 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe
“All Appomattox was the last gasp of one side going down in total defeat.”

You say “all”?

Appomattox did not tidy things up. It stood the U.S. Constitution on its head.

Read the million page Federal Register - or is it two million pages now? - and then come back on this board and tell us the 9th and 10th amendments are intact, and there is no federal overreach.

71 posted on 04/02/2021 4:04:26 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Wow, sounds like the so-called RevWar.

The difference, of course, being that the Founding Fathers won their rebellion and the Southerners lost theirs. I guess they just didn't want it hard enough, huh?

72 posted on 04/02/2021 4:04:54 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
I'll bet you call World War II the 'War of Polish Aggression' too.


Why would I talk about WWII?

73 posted on 04/02/2021 4:05:42 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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To: Bull Snipe
So the states can form their own Air Force and Marine Corp because neither of these is mentioned in the Constitution.

Heck the U.S. can't even have an Air Force or a Space Force because the Constitution doesn't explicitly allow them. Or NASA. Or an air traffic control system. Or a Department of State. Or so they would have us believe.

74 posted on 04/02/2021 4:09:57 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
“Rebellion is defined as “ open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government”.

The South was in rebellion, but only in the sense of the original, legitimate American Revolution.

Your gratuitous inclusion of the words “usually unsuccessful” does not change anything.

75 posted on 04/02/2021 4:10:41 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: DoodleDawg

Did the poles demand Hitler to leave and he refused?


76 posted on 04/02/2021 4:10:49 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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To: eyedigress
Why would I talk about WWII?

Because calling the the War of Polish Aggression make about as much sense as calling it the War of Northern Aggression. In both cases it was the other side that was the aggressor.

77 posted on 04/02/2021 4:11:46 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: jeffersondem
The South was in rebellion, but only in the sense of the original, legitimate American Revolution.

Which, if memory serves, resulted in a war. Which, fortunately, the Founding Fathers one. Unlike your rebel leadership.

78 posted on 04/02/2021 4:13:01 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
The government can HAVE whatever it needs for invasion.

You just posted it.

79 posted on 04/02/2021 4:13:39 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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To: DoodleDawg

The Founders lost.

They escaped liberalism and set up liberty hoping it would multiply.

Liberals came in and killed it.


80 posted on 04/02/2021 4:15:33 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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