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The Coming Genocide of Adverse COVID Vax Reactions, and Who to Blame for It
Coronanews123 ^ | January 25, 2021 | Publius

Posted on 03/02/2021 7:51:43 AM PST by JosephJames

According to the US federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), as of Jan. 29, 501 deaths have been recorded as possibly related to the experimental COVID vaccinations, 10,748 reported injuries, and 153 permanent disabilities. At least 3,150 of the adverse reactions have rendered people “unable to work,” or perform “daily activities.”

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Yet some scientists warn that far worse effects of the Warp Speed vaccines are yet to come. (See: “181 People Die After COVID Vaccine in US “Adverse Events”, Nurses Refuse to Give Vaccines for Ethical Reasons”)

Horrific individual testimony continues to surface, as in the video compilation below.

View Below at Bitchute

Many doctors and scientists, whose voices have been silenced, see no need for a vaccine at all for a 99.8% survival rate virus, overall, and 96% for people over 70. Former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer for 16 years, Dr. Mike Yeadon, says:

“There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. I’ve never heard such nonsense talked about vaccines.”

“You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects,”

Dr. Yeadon lays out his case in detail in the video below.

Below: Former Chief Science Officer and Vice President for Pfizer, Dr. Mike Yeadon, says DO NOT take the vaccine, forced medical experiments violate Nuremberg Code. (View at Bitchute)

Prof. Dolores Cahill received her PhD in Immunology from Dublin City University in 1994. She was group leader of the Protein Technology Group in the Max-Planck-Institute of Molecular Genetics, Berlin, and is Professor of Translational Science at the UCD School of Medicine and Medical Sciences.

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny D.O., is an American physician. A DO is a physician who completes medical school the same as an MD, who may perform surgery and prescribe medications with equal rights and privileges as an MD.

Dr. Judy Mikovits earned a PhD in biochemistry from George Washington University, and in 2006, she became the Research Director of the Whittemore Peterson Institute.

Cahill, Tenpenny, Mikovits, and other doctors and scientists are warning of a coming mass casualty event, involving people who have received experimental stage COVID vaccines, due to a reaction known as hyper-immune response.

Hyper-immune response has been observed in test animals in prior attempts to develop vaccines for other coronaviruses, such as SARS and MERS. The response may not take place until months after the injections, when subjects encounter the wild, mutated virus. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., founder of Children’s Health Defense, writes:

“Scientists first attempted to develop coronavirus vaccines after China’s 2002 SARS-CoV outbreak. Teams of US & foreign scientists vaccinated animals with the four most promising vaccines. At first, the experiment seemed successful as all the animals developed a robust antibody response to coronavirus. However, when the scientists exposed the vaccinated animals to the wild virus, the results were horrifying. Vaccinated animals suffered hyper-immune responses including inflammation throughout their bodies, especially in their lungs. Researchers had seen this same “enhanced immune response” during human testing of the failed RSV vaccine tests in the 1960s. Two children died.”

The UK Independent reported:

“COVID-19, like other coronaviruses, is expected to mutate at least every season, raising serious questions about claims that any vaccine will work. A successful vaccine has never been developed for any of the many strains of coronaviruses, due to the nature of the virus itself; and vaccinated people can have a higher chance of serious illness and death when later exposed to another strain of the virus, a phenomenon known as ‘virus interference.’ An earlier SARS vaccine never made it to market because the laboratory animals it was tested on contracted more serious symptoms on re-infection, and most of them died.”

One of the studies cited by scientists is “Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus.” The mechanism which causes the deadly response upon much later exposure to the wild virus is called “pathogenic priming.”

Dr. James Lyons-Weiler, a Senior Research Scientist at the University of Pittsburgh, writes in a science paper on previous efforts to develop coronavirus vaccines:

“In SARS, a type of “priming” of the immune system was observed during animal studies of SARS spike protein-based vaccines leading to increased morbidity and mortality in vaccinated animals who were subsequently exposed to wild SARS virus. The problem, highlighted in two studies, became obvious following post-vaccination challenge with the SARS virus…”

The biotech industry newsletter Biopharma Dive writes:

“There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus. And many vaccine developers have based their designs on previous research into other coronaviruses, like SARS or MERS, which share genetic similarities with SARS-CoV-2, but differences as well. Much still remains unknown about the novel coronavirus, and how our bodies respond to infection.”

Writing for Nature Magazine, Shibo Jiang, professor of virology at Fudan University, China, says:

“I have worked to develop vaccines and treatments for coronaviruses since 2003, when the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak happened. In my view, standard protocols are essential for safeguarding health. Before allowing use of a COVID-19 vaccine in humans, regulators should evaluate safety with a range of virus strains and in more than one animal model…Work with the SARS virus shows that worrying immune responses were seen in ferrets and monkeys, but not in mice.”

Facebook Debunk of “False Information” Not Comforting, Zuckerberg Video Leaked Which Admits Concerns

If this article is posted on Facebook, it meets with an immediate “false information” notice, with a link to an explanation. However, even the scientists quoted admit that the above dangers may be real, but that there is no evidence so far. Since these dangers only emerge in the long-run, upon sufficient mutation of the virus, this is cold comfort.

The “fact-check” concludes “for the moment, the evidence has not shown the vaccines to have such an effect.” One scientist states: “There were concerns seen in animal studies with earlier coronavirus vaccines for SARS-CoV-1 and MERS. But not in human studies to date.”

However, the reason there have been no human studies to date is that long-term animal trials have always resulted in many or all of the animals dying.

Most remarkably, a video of Facebook owner Mark Zuckerberg himself, whose public position is that everyone should take a COVID vaccine, reveals that he also has concerns over safety. In the video, made in July 2020, Zuckerberg says ” We just don’t know the long-term side effects of basically modifying people’s DNA and RNA,” referring to the completely novel vaccine technologies employed in the Pfizer and Moderna experimental platforms. (Youtube version)

A January 6th statement from Pfizer says:

“The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has not been approved or licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for use in individuals 16 years of age and older. The emergency use of this product is only authorized for the duration of the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use of the medical product under Section 564(b)(1) of the FD&C Act unless the declaration is terminated or authorization revoked sooner.”

Scientists Warn of Mass Casualty Event of Vaccinated People in the Long-Run, Due to Hyper-Immune Response, Which Will be Blamed on New Strain of COVID to Justify Further Lockdowns and Mandates

In the below video presentations, these doctors and scientists give lucid explanations how hyper-immune response in COVID vaccine test animals comes about, and why, in three to six months or more, they expect to see large numbers of vaccinated people exhibit the response when exposed to the wild, mutated virus.

None other than Dr. Anthony Fauci has acknowledged the phenomenon known as virus interference, which is when vaccines actually make exposure to a virus worse. Fauci told a congressional committee in the spring:

“I must warn that there is a possibility of negative consequences where certain vaccines can actually enhance the negative effect of the infection,”

Warnings of the particular dangers in the development of coronavirus, as opposed to other types of viruses such as influenza, are abundant. Both SARS and MERS are coronaviruses, and at least four other strains of coronaviruses are in circulation, to which nearly everyone has been exposed, most often resulting in a common cold.

If a nightmare scenario unfolds, who will be to blame? The entire cast of medical establishment, media, business, and political players who have kept up the panic atmosphere over a 99.4% to 99.8% survival rate virus, the death toll for which a team of researchers in one state found may be inflated by as much as 40%.

Government health authorities such as Dr. Anthony Fauci are behind a relentless drive for mass vaccinations over simple, effective remedies, like HCQ and Ivermectin.

Last April Fauci was the subject of a Newsweek expose’ which showed that Fauci was behind a $3.7 million grant to China’s Wuhan Lab to conduct research on bat coronavirus which was banned in the US after being deemed too dangerous : “Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research.”

For an overview of the funding and promotional players behind the pandemic response, see “Bill Gates Critic Ron Paul Shut-Down from Facebook After “Great Reset” Article.”

In one recent unsettling interview, Bill Gates, whose funding is behind nearly every aspect of a drive make global vaccination mandatory, said with a smirk, there will be another pandemic “which will get attention this time.” At which Melinda Gates smiled with unseemly glee.

Professor Dolores Cahill: Why People Will Start Dying A Few Months After The First Mrna Vaccination (View at Bitchute)

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, Why Many COVID-Vaccinated People Will Die or Lose Function Six Months After Getting Vaccines (View at Bitchute)

Dr. Judy Mikovits’ Warning That COVID Vaccine Could Kill 50 Million Americans (MP4 download backup link)

Bill Gates in documentary: The next pandemic “WILL get attention.” (View Clip on Bitchute) (Full documentary on Gates)

Addendum: A white paper has been published by America’s Frontline Doctors, “On Experimental Vaccines For COVID-19”. Doctors predict long-term vaccine reactions will be blamed on a “new strain.”

Excerpts concerning “pathogenic priming”:

Page 13:

“Pathogenic priming includes the deleterious effect of antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) whereby a vaccine or reinfection could result in a more severe or lethal disease, should the person become infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the wild. This phenomenon has been well-documented with prior vaccines. The most recent terrible headlines related to this was a vaccine for Dengue f Persons who received the vaccine and then encountered the virus in the wild suffered worse outcomes at an alarming rate…

In the Philippines, the former head of the Dengue department of the Research Institute for Tropical Medicine (RITM) was indicted in 2019 by the Department of Justice for “reckless imprudence resulting [in] homicide,” because they “facilitated, with undue haste,” Dengvaxia’s approval and its rollout among Philippine schoolchildren.”

Page 18:

“A well-documented and serious side effect of vaccines is known as pathogenic priming or antibody dependent or immune enhancement. It is difficult to prove, with doctors and scientists and the public tend to initially deny its existence by saying a person(s) has “a worse virus.” One way we learn that ADE is a real effect is by comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. If entire populations are immediately vaccinated with these experimental vaccines, the true incidence of ADE will never be known, as many cases will just be falsely described as a “new strain” or “more severe strain.””

Below: Dr. Simone Gold of America’s Frontline Doctors, The Known Dangers of Experimental Coronavirus Vaccines

(View at Bitchute) (Please sign the America’s Frontline Doctors’ petition against mandatory or coerced COVID vaccines.)

[END ARTICLE]

Bill Gates Critic Ron Paul Shut-Down from Facebook After “Great Reset” Article

Ron Paul, who recently wrote an essay warning of an end-game for the coronavirus outbreak which is for human control purposes, has been banned from communicating with his millions of Facebook followers. The mild-mannered former congressman, presidential candidate, and family physician has been a perpetual thorn in the side of big Wall Street banks, and oligarchs such as Bill Gates. As one digs in for a reason, a number of interesting recent posts from Dr. Paul emerge. In a message on Twitter Dr. Paul wrote:

“With no explanation other than “repeatedly going against our community standards,” @Facebook has blocked me from managing my page. Never have we received notice of violating community standards in the past and nowhere is the offending post identified.”

Dr. Paul joins another former high government official, Catherine Austin Fitts, in detailing a plan to use mandatory vaccinations as a gateway into people’s bodies for the purpose of connecting them to artificial intelligence control and surveillance platforms. Fitts was Assistant Secretary of Housing and Human Development under President George HW Bush,

With no explanation other than "repeatedly going against our community standards," @Facebook has blocked me from managing my page. Never have we received notice of violating community standards in the past and nowhere is the offending post identified. pic.twitter.com/EdMyW9gufa

— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) January 11, 2021

Dr. Paul wrote on January 4th in “Oppression… The ‘Great Reset’ is about Expanding Government Power and Suppressing Liberty,”

“World Economic Forum Founder and Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab has proposed using the overreaction to coronavirus to launch a worldwide “Great Reset.” This Great Reset is about expanding government power and suppressing liberty worldwide…The Great Reset will dramatically expand the surveillance state via real-time tracking. It will also mandate that people receive digital certificates in order to travel and even technology implanted in their bodies to monitor them.”

Klaus Schwab, chairman of the World Economic Forum , a gathering of the world’s most powerful people which meets in Davos, Switzerland to discuss future trends and initiatives, is the mastermind of the “Great Reset” which is presented as a response to environmental crisis. However, in his July 2020 book “COVID-19: The Great Reset,” Schwab readily admits that COVID is a “mild” disease which nevertheless serves the purpose of instituting undreamed of controls over humanity. Schwab writes that Covid-19 is:

“one of the least deadly pandemics the world has experienced over the last 2000 years…the consequences of COVID-19 in terms of health and mortality will be mild compared to previous pandemics”

Dr. Paul said in his article:

“The Great Reset involves a huge expansion of the welfare state via a universal basic income program. This can help ensure compliance with the Great Reset’s authoritarian measures….We are told the lockdowns are ordered because of a virus that poses no great danger to a very large percentage of the American public. Yet, instead of adopting a different approach, politicians are doubling down on the failed policies of masks and lockdowns. Meanwhile, big tech companies, which are already often acting as partners of government, silence anyone who questions the official line regarding the threat of coronavirus or the effectiveness of lockdowns, masks, and vaccines.”

Schwab and Bill Gates Schwab and Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau

Bill Gates Fingerprints on all Aspects of COVID and New Control Technologies

As far back as April, Dr. Paul pointed out that Gates, a private citizen who nevertheless is one of the world’s richest men, has been the driving force behind worldwide forced vaccination programs for a decade. Gates says that “proof” of vaccination will be needed to allow life to go on as normal for individuals, saying in one of a relentless campaign of interviews since the COVID outbreak last Spring:

“eventually there will be sort of this digital immunity proof that will help facilitate the global re-opening up.”

In one of Dr. Paul’s widely-viewed, regular online broadcasts his show pointed out that Gates was a key financial backer of a tattoo-like digital identification record which could store vast amounts of data on each person under the skin, readable by a scanner. ScienceAlert.com wrote in 2019:

“The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation funded the team’s research, which was published in the journal Science Translational Medicine on Wednesday.

According to a Scientific American story, the project came about following a direct request from Microsoft founder Bill Gates himself, who has been personally involved in efforts to eradicate polio and measles through vaccinations.”

Below: Dr. Paul Paul Show on Bill Gates

Bill Gates: 'Overpopulation,' and Possibly Microchipping People (or Worse!)

Watch the whole show here: https://t.co/Ye3OV3As21 pic.twitter.com/23oQNxjuFm

— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) April 22, 2020

Bill Gates, His Money, and The Consequences That Everyone Else Faces

Watch the whole show here: https://t.co/IPNo6AKOgE pic.twitter.com/Ey40QYnT51

— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) December 10, 2020

The Gates Foundation has funded the initiative the “Decade ofVaccines,” One of the talents tapped by Gates to drive the initiative is Dr. Anthony Fauci.

Last April Fauci was the subject of a Newsweek expose’: “Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research.”

Recently Fauci and others have been reciting that if only everyone in the nation wore masks consistently, 130,000 lives could be saved.

The study which makes this conclusion comes out of the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, which is also heavily funded by Bill Gates. Masks severely hamper interpersonal connection and exchange of emotion, and reinforce a crisis atmosphere. It is difficult for people to connect, and perhaps organize a resistance, under mask and social distance rules.

Bill Gates also gave nearly $8 million to Imperial College Professor Neil Ferguson, author of the now discredited report which forecast over 2 million dead in 2020 in the US if it did not lock down and implement mask laws. The report is entitled “Report 9 – Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID-19 mortality and healthcare demand.”

In Belgium, a lawsuit is underway which names both Gates and Ferguson as defendants in a scheme to defraud the public by the criminal exploitation of the COVID crisis. Despite a carefully crafted image that Gates is a late-life billionaire who is now giving away his fortune, Gates’ net worth has been steadily climbing as his giving has increased.

In India, a committee of investigation found that thousands of girls, whose families were illiterate, were maimed by vaccine trials funded by Gates of Gardasil, an anti-HPV vaccine made by Merck, in which Gates had investments.

The respected India Economic Times reports:

“The committee found that…In many other cases, thumbprint impressions of their poor and illiterate parents were duly affixed onto the consent form. The children also had no idea about the nature of the disease or the vaccine.”

This is potentially in violation of principles established at the Nuremberg Trials, following the trial of the Nazi doctor Josef Mengele, that no experiments could be conducted on a person without their fully informed consent.

Gates could be prosecuted on these ground alone, by any duly sworn prosecutor in any nation that is signatory to the Geneva Conventions.

Dr. Paul’s Views Dovetail with HW Bush Administration Official Catherine Austin Fitts. Fitts Lays Out The Great Reset and How to Stop It

Catherine Austin Fitts is an investment banker and former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under President George HW Bush. Secretary Fitts describes how the push for a mandatory universal vaccination program is a gateway to global enslavement of most of humanity.

Further Reading

HW Bush Administration Official Catherine Austin Fitts Lays Out The Great Reset and How to Stop It

Healthy Doctor Dies After COVID Vaccine, NY Bill Introduced for Vax Mandate

Here is Bill Gates’ Injectable Biochip, for Those Who Think it is Conspiracy Theory

Death Certificate Audit Shows COVID Deaths Inflated by Possible 40%, Calls for National Audit

Science Backs Dr. Judy Mikovits’ Warning That COVID Vaccine Could Kill 50 Million Americans

Will Cuomo Face Justice for Nursing Home Executions?

Newsweek: “Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research”

Former Chief Science Officer for Pfizer Says “Second Wave” Faked on False-Positive COVID Tests, “Pandemic is Over”

Health Worker Dies After Taking Pfizer Vaccine; Leaks Show Pfizer Infiltrated by Agents of Chinese Government

CDC: 200,000 “COVID Deaths” May Actually Be Flu, Heart Attacks, Poison, or Gunshot

CDC: COVID Vaccine Reactions Render 3,150 People “Unable to Work,” Perform “Daily Activities”

Young, Healthy COVID Vaccine Trials Volunteer Dies

99.8% Survival Rate Bug Day 280: Oxford Scientist Refuses to Back Down on Herd Immunity

Dr. Carrie Madej Urgently Warns Against Coming DARPA HydroGel in COVID Vaccines, Total Control of Humans Through Artificial Intelligence

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Further Reading

HW Bush Administration Official Catherine Austin Fitts Lays Out The Great Reset and How to Stop It

Healthy Doctor Dies After COVID Vaccine, NY Bill Introduced for Vax Mandate

Here is Bill Gates’ Injectable Biochip, for Those Who Think it is Conspiracy Theory

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Science Backs Dr. Judy Mikovits’ Warning That COVID Vaccine Could Kill 50 Million Americans

Will Cuomo Face Justice for Nursing Home Executions?

Newsweek: “Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research”

Former Chief Science Officer for Pfizer Says “Second Wave” Faked on False-Positive COVID Tests, “Pandemic is Over”

Health Worker Dies After Taking Pfizer Vaccine; Leaks Show Pfizer Infiltrated by Agents of Chinese Government

CDC: 200,000 “COVID Deaths” May Actually Be Flu, Heart Attacks, Poison, or Gunshot

CDC: COVID Vaccine Reactions Render 3,150 People “Unable to Work,” Perform “Daily Activities”

Young, Healthy COVID Vaccine Trials Volunteer Dies

99.8% Survival Rate Bug Day 280: Oxford Scientist Refuses to Back Down on Herd Immunity

Dr. Carrie Madej Urgently Warns Against Coming DARPA HydroGel in COVID Vaccines, Total Control of Humans Through Artificial Intelligence


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To: RC one

Science uses statistics.

That means that something that is great for some people is dangerous for others.

When you don’t do the long term studies (years, large populations) there is no reliable way to determine who falls into what category.

That turns medicine into Russian Roulette.


61 posted on 03/02/2021 10:49:12 AM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: BeauBo

Skipping dose 2 increases the risk for ADE imo.


62 posted on 03/02/2021 10:49:31 AM PST by RC one (When a bunch of commies start telling you that you don't need an AR15, you really need an AR15)
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To: cgbg

Statistically speaking, the vaccine is perfectly safe. I just vaccinated 14 people with dose 2. They were all fine. I’m clocking in right now to vaccinate another 100 tonight.


63 posted on 03/02/2021 10:52:07 AM PST by RC one (When a bunch of commies start telling you that you don't need an AR15, you really need an AR15)
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To: monkeyshine
detailing a plan to use mandatory vaccinations as a gateway into people’s bodies for the purpose of connecting them to artificial intelligence control and surveillance platforms

Inserting these types of comments into an otherwise sensible discussion doesn't help. Just my opinion. I assume she means that the push for vaccine is designed to get people accustomed to the idea of being pricked prodded and poked on a whim, and not that the vaccines themselves are some kind of tracking device.

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It called it a gateway. And the technology for surveillance via our bodies exists. Is it so far-fetched? The mRNA vaccine makers are very open about likening them to "operating systems'. People can argue about what exactly they mean by that comparison, but it's out there. Look it up. If it's possible to track people in such ways, it will happen - they ultimately won't let conscience or ethics get in their way, since they have neither. My take is that this is one of their goals to achieve further control.

And no, I have no plans to take their "vaccine" for something that's curable.

64 posted on 03/02/2021 10:56:43 AM PST by 17strings (If you've posted a good meme or cat .gif, chances are I've stolen it!)
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To: Bob434
I agree that a virus with a 99% survivablity doesn't warrant an experimental therapy with no long term test results.

Whether the viral load is less due to symptom suppression is debatable. I liken it to almost a steroidal gene therapy. The symptoms are less but the virus remains.

What is more worrisome is the removal of the upper limiting brake of any more virulent strain allowing them to flourish rather than being selected out by natural selection. A more more virulent strain would kill its host making it less likely to be able to spread.

In the end the choice is yours and yours alone. I get uneasy when I feel like I am being stampeded into making a choice. I don't like to put my head into a bear trap but that's just me. YMMV.

What I also find curious is the Chinese are not allowing Pfizer/Moderna et al into China and are using a traditional vaccine therapy with a deactivated virus. It supposedly is only 50% effective. Their motives may be purely political but they are not forcing the vaccine and its optional.

From previous actions the CCP is a position to force most anything they want on their population if they want to but they are not in this case. That too is curious. It means they are not that afraid of it.

65 posted on 03/02/2021 11:09:19 AM PST by Polynikes ( Hakkaa paalle)
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To: brownsfan
Not necessarily but the potential is there and there is precedent in other species ie: Mareks disease. That's why the rush to deploy without long term testing is gambling and what if the developers are wrong. Opps Sorry. Oh yes we are immune from prosecution. Too bad.
66 posted on 03/02/2021 11:16:14 AM PST by Polynikes ( Hakkaa paalle)
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To: 17strings

Based on my age and a previous heart surgery I am “next” on the list to get vaccinated according to emails I’ve received from my local big-city hospital. But they also say that I can’t get one yet because of no supply. Either way, I have no plans to get the vaccine. I have avoided the damn thing this far, I will see if I can run the clock out on it. Maybe it will run its course by this summer.

As far as the mRNA tech, I think they generally mean it is easily adaptable to “treat” other illnesses. Which is, imo, the main reason why the administrative state and institutional reflex has been to poo on the idea of treatments and generic prophylactics - they wanted the money and excuse to push this mRNA platform forward which would be hard to do if a widely available treatment were known to the public and medical establishment. Which imo arouses enough suspicion alone. Until now, no drug has been developed using mRNA platforms and even these vaccines are only approved under the “emergency use”. Obviously there are no long-term studies on efficacy or safety or after effects.

I guess my beef is just mixing too many ideas into a single discussion.


67 posted on 03/02/2021 11:22:32 AM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: dhuls

There have been zero deaths causally linked to any COVID-19 vaccines in either the US or the UK.

VAERS states directly on the website that they accept reports from anyone and do NOT verify the information in the reports, nor do the reports in VAERS indicate any causal link.

The only people pulling out VAERS data are the people who don’t understand what VAERS is and haven’t read the actual VAERS website. If they had, they’d see that VAERS itself tells you the data is NOT an indication of a causal relationship.


68 posted on 03/02/2021 11:24:26 AM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

It’s been a year since the first doses were given in the Phase 1 clinical trials. They’re still fine.

In another year, when they’re still fine, will you say you were wrong? Or will you say just wait another year or two? And when they’re still fine 5 years from now, will you say you were wrong then?

All this started with claims that people would be dying immediately. Then it was wait a couple months. Now it’s wait a couple years. That goalpost just keeps moving because we all know we’ll never actually see these claims of mass death arrive. So the only way to avoid being wrong is to say you just have to keep waiting because it’s coming.


69 posted on 03/02/2021 11:27:11 AM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: RC one

I’m a Jew and if anything I’ll take the normal Flu type J&J vac if any.
Just as real Jews are not supposed to get tattoos I’ll not defile my body with mRNA!


70 posted on 03/02/2021 11:36:08 AM PST by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
I’ve told you on numerous occasions. If 10 years from now there are no latent die offs, no vaccine dependencies, and there is an ethically produced vaccine not developed using aborted fetal cells (current or sourdough), I would definitely consider the vaccine.

That said, I will pray first. I never do anything without prayer.
71 posted on 03/02/2021 11:40:25 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: JosephJames

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72 posted on 03/02/2021 11:47:05 AM PST by TianaHighrider (God bless President Trump. Prayers for PDJT and his loyal supporters.)
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To: Harpotoo

What are the chances? LOL. Anyways, the traditional vaccines like the J&J vaccine use DNA. DNA vaccines are known to pose a risk to the chromosomes though it appears to be safe in this form. That being said, I stand by my comment. Good enough for a jew, good enough for you. I’m usually talking about military equipment when I say that though.


73 posted on 03/02/2021 11:48:30 AM PST by RC one (When a bunch of commies start telling you that you don't need an AR15, you really need an AR15)
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To: Harpotoo

Your body is full of mRNA. You would be dead without it. It’s literally the basis for how your entire body functions at the cellular level. And foreign RNA is introduced into your body from the natural environment non-stop.

You make your own call about what’s best for your own health, but be aware that the criteria you’ve laid out here don’t make any sense. There’s nothing more or less “natural” about the Johnson&Johnson vaccine than any of the ones on the mRNA platform. And that flu shot? Within the next few years, they’ll nearly all be on the mRNA platform because it’s the only thing fast enough to really keep up with Influenza’s rate of mutation.

When we move from Gen 2 flu vaccines to Gen 3 (mRNA), flu shot effectiveness is going to go from 40-60% effective to something closer to 90-95%.


74 posted on 03/02/2021 11:52:28 AM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: DugwayDuke

wow. really? so we are supposed to just assume that they do even though they didn’t test for it. now that’s quality assurance.


75 posted on 03/02/2021 12:05:59 PM PST by dhuls (better late than never)
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To: BeauBo

Sorry, but you are wrong in so many ways. These companies have openly admitted that it was too much trouble to test appropriately. Even the Surgeon General stated that what I say is true... and these “peer” reviewed journal studies are flawed in that they don’t tell you whether the participants were already immune before inoculation.


76 posted on 03/02/2021 12:10:47 PM PST by dhuls (better late than never)
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To: dhuls

dhuls wrote: “wow. really? so we are supposed to just assume that they do even though they didn’t test for it. now that’s quality assurance.”

dhuls wrote: “Second, these products do not give immunity or stop transmission... They weren’t even tested to meet these requirements.”

You totally missed the point. You alleged that these products do not give immunity or stop transmission. Then you admit that these products were not tested to determine if they do or do not give immunity or stop transmission. IOW, you have no idea whether they give immunity or stop transmission.

Making claims that you cannot support only undermines the rest of your allegations.


77 posted on 03/02/2021 12:17:03 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Most prefer experts who only say things they agree with.)
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To: Linda Frances

[[She was really sick. High fever, respiratory...cough,, chills, body ache, vomiting....slept for about 20 hours a day for almost a week ]]

Back in march of last year, and also again in april- We got something that we called ‘The Crud’- sicker than a dog- chills, aches, diarrhea, exhausted, weak, shaky, dizzy, stomach pains, vomitted, and we slept- I slept for almost 20 hours, then again for about 18 the following day- then i on. Never did develop a cough though and we didn’t know about the loss of taste or smell, so not sure if i had those or not- I didn’t eat for a couple of days-

We got this ‘Crud’ twice- I was curious whether it was the virus- so got tested- test came back that it was not the virus-

I don’t know what it was- but I have had bad flues before- but this one really took the cake- I have never been put on my back like i was with “The Crud” before, except once- The only other time i was that sick was when a flu really whacked my lungs back in the early 2000’s, put me in hospital- ever since then i got flu shots each year- that wasn’t pleasant to go through- oh yeah, one other time too when i had pneumonia- that really zapped my strength too-

I was kinda hoping it had been the virus- and we’d survived it- but the test said no- So not sure what we had-


78 posted on 03/02/2021 12:23:47 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Frohickey

Frohickey wrote: “If the mRNA injection from Pfizer and the other one from Moderna do not fit the definition of a vaccine, then it should *NOT* be called a vaccine. It is a gene therapy delivery system, which has no long-term track record.”

That’s nothing more than playing word games by using a very narrow definition of a vaccine and then claim that since this vaccine uses a different technology, that it isn’t a vaccine.

Experts at the CDC actually use this definition of a vaccine: “A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.” Clearly these vaccines fit that definition.


79 posted on 03/02/2021 12:36:03 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Most prefer experts who only say things they agree with.)
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To: Justa

Very informative, thx.


80 posted on 03/02/2021 12:56:43 PM PST by one guy in new jersey
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