Posted on 03/02/2021 7:51:43 AM PST by JosephJames
Science uses statistics.
That means that something that is great for some people is dangerous for others.
When you don’t do the long term studies (years, large populations) there is no reliable way to determine who falls into what category.
That turns medicine into Russian Roulette.
Skipping dose 2 increases the risk for ADE imo.
Statistically speaking, the vaccine is perfectly safe. I just vaccinated 14 people with dose 2. They were all fine. I’m clocking in right now to vaccinate another 100 tonight.
Inserting these types of comments into an otherwise sensible discussion doesn't help. Just my opinion. I assume she means that the push for vaccine is designed to get people accustomed to the idea of being pricked prodded and poked on a whim, and not that the vaccines themselves are some kind of tracking device.
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It called it a gateway. And the technology for surveillance via our bodies exists. Is it so far-fetched? The mRNA vaccine makers are very open about likening them to "operating systems'. People can argue about what exactly they mean by that comparison, but it's out there. Look it up. If it's possible to track people in such ways, it will happen - they ultimately won't let conscience or ethics get in their way, since they have neither. My take is that this is one of their goals to achieve further control.
And no, I have no plans to take their "vaccine" for something that's curable.
Whether the viral load is less due to symptom suppression is debatable. I liken it to almost a steroidal gene therapy. The symptoms are less but the virus remains.
What is more worrisome is the removal of the upper limiting brake of any more virulent strain allowing them to flourish rather than being selected out by natural selection. A more more virulent strain would kill its host making it less likely to be able to spread.
In the end the choice is yours and yours alone. I get uneasy when I feel like I am being stampeded into making a choice. I don't like to put my head into a bear trap but that's just me. YMMV.
What I also find curious is the Chinese are not allowing Pfizer/Moderna et al into China and are using a traditional vaccine therapy with a deactivated virus. It supposedly is only 50% effective. Their motives may be purely political but they are not forcing the vaccine and its optional.
From previous actions the CCP is a position to force most anything they want on their population if they want to but they are not in this case. That too is curious. It means they are not that afraid of it.
Based on my age and a previous heart surgery I am “next” on the list to get vaccinated according to emails I’ve received from my local big-city hospital. But they also say that I can’t get one yet because of no supply. Either way, I have no plans to get the vaccine. I have avoided the damn thing this far, I will see if I can run the clock out on it. Maybe it will run its course by this summer.
As far as the mRNA tech, I think they generally mean it is easily adaptable to “treat” other illnesses. Which is, imo, the main reason why the administrative state and institutional reflex has been to poo on the idea of treatments and generic prophylactics - they wanted the money and excuse to push this mRNA platform forward which would be hard to do if a widely available treatment were known to the public and medical establishment. Which imo arouses enough suspicion alone. Until now, no drug has been developed using mRNA platforms and even these vaccines are only approved under the “emergency use”. Obviously there are no long-term studies on efficacy or safety or after effects.
I guess my beef is just mixing too many ideas into a single discussion.
There have been zero deaths causally linked to any COVID-19 vaccines in either the US or the UK.
VAERS states directly on the website that they accept reports from anyone and do NOT verify the information in the reports, nor do the reports in VAERS indicate any causal link.
The only people pulling out VAERS data are the people who don’t understand what VAERS is and haven’t read the actual VAERS website. If they had, they’d see that VAERS itself tells you the data is NOT an indication of a causal relationship.
It’s been a year since the first doses were given in the Phase 1 clinical trials. They’re still fine.
In another year, when they’re still fine, will you say you were wrong? Or will you say just wait another year or two? And when they’re still fine 5 years from now, will you say you were wrong then?
All this started with claims that people would be dying immediately. Then it was wait a couple months. Now it’s wait a couple years. That goalpost just keeps moving because we all know we’ll never actually see these claims of mass death arrive. So the only way to avoid being wrong is to say you just have to keep waiting because it’s coming.
I’m a Jew and if anything I’ll take the normal Flu type J&J vac if any.
Just as real Jews are not supposed to get tattoos I’ll not defile my body with mRNA!
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What are the chances? LOL. Anyways, the traditional vaccines like the J&J vaccine use DNA. DNA vaccines are known to pose a risk to the chromosomes though it appears to be safe in this form. That being said, I stand by my comment. Good enough for a jew, good enough for you. I’m usually talking about military equipment when I say that though.
Your body is full of mRNA. You would be dead without it. It’s literally the basis for how your entire body functions at the cellular level. And foreign RNA is introduced into your body from the natural environment non-stop.
You make your own call about what’s best for your own health, but be aware that the criteria you’ve laid out here don’t make any sense. There’s nothing more or less “natural” about the Johnson&Johnson vaccine than any of the ones on the mRNA platform. And that flu shot? Within the next few years, they’ll nearly all be on the mRNA platform because it’s the only thing fast enough to really keep up with Influenza’s rate of mutation.
When we move from Gen 2 flu vaccines to Gen 3 (mRNA), flu shot effectiveness is going to go from 40-60% effective to something closer to 90-95%.
wow. really? so we are supposed to just assume that they do even though they didn’t test for it. now that’s quality assurance.
Sorry, but you are wrong in so many ways. These companies have openly admitted that it was too much trouble to test appropriately. Even the Surgeon General stated that what I say is true... and these “peer” reviewed journal studies are flawed in that they don’t tell you whether the participants were already immune before inoculation.
dhuls wrote: “wow. really? so we are supposed to just assume that they do even though they didn’t test for it. now that’s quality assurance.”
dhuls wrote: “Second, these products do not give immunity or stop transmission... They weren’t even tested to meet these requirements.”
You totally missed the point. You alleged that these products do not give immunity or stop transmission. Then you admit that these products were not tested to determine if they do or do not give immunity or stop transmission. IOW, you have no idea whether they give immunity or stop transmission.
Making claims that you cannot support only undermines the rest of your allegations.
[[She was really sick. High fever, respiratory...cough,, chills, body ache, vomiting....slept for about 20 hours a day for almost a week ]]
Back in march of last year, and also again in april- We got something that we called ‘The Crud’- sicker than a dog- chills, aches, diarrhea, exhausted, weak, shaky, dizzy, stomach pains, vomitted, and we slept- I slept for almost 20 hours, then again for about 18 the following day- then i on. Never did develop a cough though and we didn’t know about the loss of taste or smell, so not sure if i had those or not- I didn’t eat for a couple of days-
We got this ‘Crud’ twice- I was curious whether it was the virus- so got tested- test came back that it was not the virus-
I don’t know what it was- but I have had bad flues before- but this one really took the cake- I have never been put on my back like i was with “The Crud” before, except once- The only other time i was that sick was when a flu really whacked my lungs back in the early 2000’s, put me in hospital- ever since then i got flu shots each year- that wasn’t pleasant to go through- oh yeah, one other time too when i had pneumonia- that really zapped my strength too-
I was kinda hoping it had been the virus- and we’d survived it- but the test said no- So not sure what we had-
Frohickey wrote: “If the mRNA injection from Pfizer and the other one from Moderna do not fit the definition of a vaccine, then it should *NOT* be called a vaccine. It is a gene therapy delivery system, which has no long-term track record.”
That’s nothing more than playing word games by using a very narrow definition of a vaccine and then claim that since this vaccine uses a different technology, that it isn’t a vaccine.
Experts at the CDC actually use this definition of a vaccine: “A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.” Clearly these vaccines fit that definition.
Very informative, thx.
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