The writer apparently knows nothing about CS (Crowd Smoke grenades), “tanks”, and “deadly flashbang grenades”.
CS is a non-lethal tear-gas grenade. It might become deadly if it was used in a very small confined space where there was no air ventilation, but I’ve been tear-gassed/pepper-gassed as a journalist covering demonstrations and they are not deadly.
“Tanks” - I saw armored cars/vehicles and a tank-chassie with a ramrod on it for smashing down the outside walls of the compound. However, I don’t recall any M4 Shermans, Pattons or Abrams at the scene, or 75 MM or 105 MM cannons, etc.
CS grenades do not contain “cyanide”, a poison/gas, as far as I know. Maybe the author could explain what he meant by that.
The story of the 4 ATF agents who were killed is very interesting and its needs to be further explained by someone who read the autopsy reports on what caliber bullet killed them.
Hyping a serious tragedy like this and getting key items wrong can destroy the credibility of not only the writer, but also of the publication that published this.
Comments from those who know or remember more about what happened at Waco would be welcomed here for clarification.
MadMax, the Grinning Reaper wrote: “CS is a non-lethal tear-gas grenade. It might become deadly if it was used in a very small confined space where there was no air ventilation, but I’ve been tear-gassed/pepper-gassed as a journalist covering demonstrations and they are not deadly.”
Absolutely correct. Back in the 1990’s, I was a chemical warfare analyst. CS can be lethal in small enclosed spaces. I calculated how much CS would be required to produce lethal concentrations over the Branch Davidian complex considering the force of the wind that day which would have required continuous application to maintain a lethal concentration. The net result was thousands of tons of CS would have been required.
One of the major screw-ups was the use of CS on a day with a very high wind.
CS, when burned, can create HCN, Hydrogen Cyanide. It is usually not a problem in the open air, because it is lighter and disperses. In confined spaces it can be a problem.
Very large concentrations of CS, in addition to the CS grenades, were pumped into the burning buildings at the compound.
Time for FACTS.
April 19th, (1775) was the day patriots shot back at redcoats at Lexington-Concord.
CS gas IS NOT tear gas. CS was banned by the Israelis because it was TOO HARSH on “palestinians”.
“CS grenades do not contain “cyanide”, a poison/gas, as far as I know.l
Cyanide is produced when CS is burned. And they burned a lot of it that day. It was directly injected in huge quantities by the armored vehicle on the scene.
“The story of the 4 ATF agents who were killed is very interesting and its needs to be further explained by someone who read the autopsy reports on what caliber bullet killed them.”
They shot each other, mostly. For example, the guy on the roof caught rounds from the guy who entered through the window ahead of him.
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My brother lived in that county at the time, and he took us hunting on an adjacent property. I lost sleep over the fact that I wasn't there with my rifle when it happened.
They weren’t CS grenades. They were CN. They will definitely release Cyanide gas in the conditions that obtained. Alamo Girl had all kinds of info about this. Linda Thompson talked about it a lot way back in the day as well.
One of the most screwed up things that come to mind is the Davidians Weapons were locked up in the TXDPS (Texas Department of Public Safety) Evidence Vault and the Defense Legal Team asked for the Weapons to be Examined and X-Rayed to prove that they were not Full Auto and they were told no. (I don’t remember who blocked the request)
As far as I know the Weapons are still locked up in the TXDPS Headquarters Evidence Vault.
Other than that I still don’t understand why the .gov raid could have been avoided IF the govgoons had listened to McLennan County Sheriff Jack Harwell could have arrested David Koresh on His trips into Town and not had the carnage that occurred.
