Posted on 02/25/2021 9:57:04 PM PST by ammodotcom
I watched this same type of police testosterone poisoning happen in Fayetteville NC when an injured active duty vet in the Warrior Transition Unit had a severe PTSD flashback and the police SWAT team went crazy shooting their way in.
They refused to let the guy’s best friend who served with him for years in Special Forces talk him down when he barricaded himself in his home. Instead, they insisted on going in shooting. They shot him four times, twice in the face.
The Police launched nineteen tear gas canisters in his small apartment. Being well trained, he knocked a hole in the floor with a hammer and cupped his hands to breathe the air from below the floor.
They shot him down through his body while he law face down on the floor.
At the Army discharge hearing, the Judges stopped the testimony by his Special Forces peers, stating I don’t want the people who are attending this hearing to get PTSD from hearing what he went through chasing Bin Laden through the Tora Bora Mountains, and being in daily gunfights.
Karma is a bitch and God is the great equalizer. Not me. I feel for their souls.
MadMax, the Grinning Reaper wrote: “CS is a non-lethal tear-gas grenade. It might become deadly if it was used in a very small confined space where there was no air ventilation, but I’ve been tear-gassed/pepper-gassed as a journalist covering demonstrations and they are not deadly.”
Absolutely correct. Back in the 1990’s, I was a chemical warfare analyst. CS can be lethal in small enclosed spaces. I calculated how much CS would be required to produce lethal concentrations over the Branch Davidian complex considering the force of the wind that day which would have required continuous application to maintain a lethal concentration. The net result was thousands of tons of CS would have been required.
One of the major screw-ups was the use of CS on a day with a very high wind.
marktwain wrote: “Early tear gas grenades were known fire starters. The FBI manual specifically warned about them, and the danger they presented when fired into buildings.”
One mistake commonly made is to refer to CS as a gas. It isn’t a gas, it’s a powder that is usually dispersed by flames.
CS, when burned, can create HCN, Hydrogen Cyanide. It is usually not a problem in the open air, because it is lighter and disperses. In confined spaces it can be a problem.
Very large concentrations of CS, in addition to the CS grenades, were pumped into the burning buildings at the compound.
I’ll tell you what NEVER happened: no-one in government was EVER held accountable.
Did your calculations consider the volume of the buildings the CS was pumped into?
How did you calculate the exchange rate, considering the wind, and the CS was primarily put into interior spaces?
What the Left WILL NOT understand, or more likely doesn’t give a crap about, is that there will ALWAYS be needless killings by government forces, be it Ruby Ridge, Waco, or DC.
When you give humans guns, some of those humans will use them on innocent people. That cannot be helped and WE GET THAT. But what we want is EXACTLY what they want when police shoot blacks (usually felons, by the way) - which is ACCOUNTABILITY - meaning investigations, punishments if rules were broken, and additional methods to not kill innocent people (training, better selection of officers, etc.).
If that had happened after Ruby Ridge and Waco, as noted here, Oklahoma City would still be looked at as a backwards oil town, and nothing more.
"Tear gas" is a common term used for CS and CN.
I know they are not gases at ordinary temperatures.
Anyone can now watch it and form your own opinion.
Time for FACTS.
April 19th, (1775) was the day patriots shot back at redcoats at Lexington-Concord.
CS gas IS NOT tear gas. CS was banned by the Israelis because it was TOO HARSH on “palestinians”.
The bodies collected were placed in a freezer or freezer's after the assault on the compound.
Months later, they were checked. Someone "forgot" to plug in the freezer. Nothing but soup remained.
Waco was a government run massacre and coverup.
I saw the series they did in the Branch Dividians. The leader was a bit odd. I think he impregnated the women to increase their population. That used to be called rape. I guess not anymore.
‘Bunch of adrenaline cowboys. All they needed to do was follow David Koresh every Tuesday to the marketplace and arrest him when he bought groceries.”
Or better yet, he played at Chelsea Street Pub in the Richland Mall from time to time. Easy pickins.
Yep..... McNamara was the sheriff at the time. He also died under mysterious circumstances some years later.
Oops.... brain fart, it was Jack Harwell.
“CS grenades do not contain “cyanide”, a poison/gas, as far as I know.l
Cyanide is produced when CS is burned. And they burned a lot of it that day. It was directly injected in huge quantities by the armored vehicle on the scene.
“The story of the 4 ATF agents who were killed is very interesting and its needs to be further explained by someone who read the autopsy reports on what caliber bullet killed them.”
They shot each other, mostly. For example, the guy on the roof caught rounds from the guy who entered through the window ahead of him.
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My brother lived in that county at the time, and he took us hunting on an adjacent property. I lost sleep over the fact that I wasn't there with my rifle when it happened.
I knew one of the local attorneys who was involved in the civil lawsuits for the families. They sued the h@ll out of them for years.
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